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Swarovski Z6 V/S Zeiss Victory Diavari |
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RifleDude ![]() MODERATOR ![]() Joined: October/13/2006 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 15135 |
senewell, Just a suggestion, but before I did #3, I would seriously consider just buying a "Predator" custom action from Stiller Precision Firearms. Stiller/Viper is one of the big names among competitive shooters. The Predator is a direct, drop in replacement for the Rem700, yet is better made, doesn't require any blueprinting, costs about the same and in some cases, less than the work required to true up the Remington, and will get much better resale value should you ever decide to sell the rifle!
http://www.viperactions.com/actions/predator_detail.htm
Again, it has the exact same footprint as the Rem700, so it will drop in to your existing stock with no modifications. It uses the same trigger assy as the Remington. You will also generally receive it quicker than the turn-around time for blueprinting the Rem action! It also looks cooler! In short, there's really no downside.
I feel you really couldn't go wrong with either of those scopes. I have no experience with the Z6, but own 3 Swarovski scopes and love them. A buddy of mine has the Zeiss 3-12X56 VM/V and it's a wonderful scope. Every scope I've seen from this series has been spectacular. |
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Trinidad ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: May/04/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1555 |
Set on 10x at 100 with the number 8 I would estimate about 4MOA.
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Trinidad ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: May/04/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1555 |
I do not feel sub MOA groups are important in a hunting situation. I prefer to be able to see my reticle in the poorest light and have a fast aim at the target, to me having a front focal plane allows me to adjust this accordinly. I also do not hunt with a higher power very often, my scope is set at 6x and rarely used at 10x. I am not a varmint hunter only medium to large game. I will not hunt anything smaller than a deer or boar.
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Trinidad ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: May/04/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1555 |
Here is some shooting at the range I recently did with a 2.5-10 S&B set on 6x at 100M, this is a 3 shot group with a model 70 sporter taper super grade.
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Obi Wan Kenobi ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() ![]() Joined: December/21/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 186 |
I own a 2.5-10x50 Diavari & I can't complain about its performance & warranty.
The thing that I really love about the scope is its light weight & compact. Great for stand hunting or stalking plus the low light performance is great.
Just my 2 cents. |
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senewell ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() ![]() Joined: February/27/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 35 |
I totally agree with you in regard to hunting situations. That is a remarkable group that you shot by the way. When you say 4 MOA would be blocked at 10x, that would indicate ~ 4" at 100 yards, ~8" at 200 yards, and ~16" at 400 yards. Am I correct in this assessment? If not, what would the actual numbers be in inches? A high percentage of the shooting that I will be doing with this gun will be at the range, and I will quite likely be shooting at very small targets at long ranges to test my personal accuracy. I am somewhat concerned about obscuring small targets if the reticle gets too large. |
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My immigration policy: "Good fences equal good neighbors," and lining the border with snipers equals no immigration problem.
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Trinidad ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: May/04/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1555 |
You are correct on your calculations, for your main intended aplication you are better off with a rear focal plane scope. Kahles makes some very nice scopes that will better suit you in my opinion for example the CSX or you can go with the Z6. Best of luck and thank you for the compliment.
http://www.kahles.at/index.php?sprache=1&menu=18
http://www.riflescopes.com/products/51827/kahles_2.5-10x50_h elia_csx_30mm_riflescope.htm Edited by Trinidad |
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Trinidad ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: May/04/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1555 |
You may also like the CL, its a nice side focus 1" model with a RFP,with or without Multi-Zero, your preferance.
http://www.swfa.com/pc-1474-665-kahles-3-10x50-helia-cl-rifl escope.aspx |
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www.technika.nu ![]() Optics Journeyman ![]() Joined: August/02/2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 611 |
The big point with the Z6 is the low magnification, and if you don't need that I would prefer a Zeiss. The first focal plane is in my opinion a big advantage and notiing to be sorry for.
If your drop the no8 reticle and go for no 11 instead you won't have any problems to aim as extremely small objects.
Zeiss offers BDC as original item for all their scopes, and if you are into long range hunting or shooting the BDC with reticle no11 is great.
Regards Technika Edited by www.technika.nu |
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senewell ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() ![]() Joined: February/27/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Those are all interesting looking scopes. Does Kahles have a lifetime waranty? Do they have a reputation for good customer service? |
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My immigration policy: "Good fences equal good neighbors," and lining the border with snipers equals no immigration problem.
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Trinidad ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: May/04/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1555 |
Yes and Yes, top shelf products for shure.
http://www.kahles.at/index.php?sprache=1&direct=news& ;news_id=137 |
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Trinidad ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: May/04/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1555 |
+1, Great point Hakan on the number 11 reticle. |
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oldguns ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() Joined: February/17/2007 Status: Offline Points: 9 |
Why is it when I look at the Zeiss website I dont find a reticle #11 listed for Diavari??
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Trinidad ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: May/04/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1555 |
Here is the current lineup of reticles for production scopes in the US, this may differ from production scopes in europ, I recall Hakan mentioning he had his instaled at the factory. I would recommend you to give Zeiss a call and they will lead you in the direction of obtaining the 11 in a Diavari. Exellent reticle, I had a thicker varient of this reticle, the #1 in a fixed power S&B.
http://www.zeiss.com/c1256bcf0020be5f/Contents-Frame/ec215ec 620626f1e852571d700377d7e Edited by Trinidad |
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Trinidad ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: May/04/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1555 |
The link in not working properly, the 11 is only available in the current classic production model not the diavari acording to the chart. You can see this by clicking on the victory then clicking on available reticles at the very bottom. These charts have been known to be wrong brfore though on small technicalities. I would call for the best info on the current options. |
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Trinidad ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: May/04/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1555 |
OK,here is the latest chart and US production reticles.
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