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I've been looking at the Swarovski 10x42 SLC (model #58110)and in my search for reviews on these binoculars I came across the 10x42 WB SLC (model #58009) binoculars as well.

I was unable to find any information about the difference between these few models (other than price). Can anybody help me out on this one???

On another note, what advantages do the EL's offer over the SLC's?
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Rebby -

 

I know Swarovski references those on its website, but I believe the "W" is wideangle and the "B" has something to do with a special eyepiece available for people with glasses.

 

On the advantages of the ELs over the SLCs (I do own the ELs in 8.5x myself and a great hunting friend owns the 10x SLCs):

1) Weight - ELs are lighter

2) Close focus ability is much better in the ELs

3) Eye Relief - ELs are longer in 10x power, which is better for glasses wearers

4) ELs are slightly more color neutral, as the SLC have a slightly warm color bias

 

Other than that, not much.  The SLCs are just wonderful optically.

 

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ND2000,
Thank you for the information. You were dead on.

I called Swarovski this morning to ask about the 58009 vs the 58110. The rep on the phone indicated that optics wise they are identical. The 58009 is now discontinued and the 58110 is the replacement. As you had indicated ND2000, the W = wide angle and the B = twist eyecups (the B actually stands for a German word that translates to this). On the current model SLC binoculars (58110) the WB may or may not be noted by vendor since all new SLC binoculars are "WB" models.

That answers that part of it anyway. Now I just need to determine if I want the SLC's or the EL's...

Thanks again!
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No problem.  I am a very pleased Swarovski owner.  In my opinion, you will not find a more relaxing (combination of large sweet spot and wide depth of field) view in the market today. 

 

You should try and look through both, although you will not be disappointed by either.  Decision will probably come down to ergonomics and intended use.  Some people don't like the split-bridge design of the ELs or don't like the thumb-indentation placement.  Alternatively, most birders prefer the ELs due to the close focus ability and neutral-color.  Hunters generally don't care about those things so it tends to be more of a toss-up in my experience.

 

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Rebby, I am going throught the same thing that you are.  I just don't know if it is worth the extra $$ to go with the EL's over the SLC's.  I personally like the 7x in the SLC's and the 8.5 in the EL's.  There is about $600 difference in the new pairs.  However SWFA has the 7x42 SLC's for $900 as a salesman's sample and they are like new complete with everything.  You can't beat Swarovski customer service they are about the best in the business and they will fix most anything other them something that is a man made problem.  Let me know what you decide as I am still working on the same identical question.  Thanks, bird_hunter66
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I just received a Swarovski SLC 7x42 from SWFA (sample list item).  I'll be posting a review (and a comparison to Meopta 7x42) in a few days.  So far they look good and fit my hands better than any roof prism to date (I generally like porros).

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Last Fall I was looking at getting a good set of 10x42 for hunting in the west (BIG Canyons and Valleys) I was torn between the Big Three Zeiss, Leica Swarovski.   I liked how bright the Zeiss FL were but they felt too light weight to me (I know most people like the light weight but in a 10x noc a bit of weight is nice) The Leica Trinovids were nice but I was not impressed with the ergonomics.  The EL's are tops but they command a TOP price and to be honest I could not see much of a difference between them and the SLC definitly not a $600 difference.

 

I became the happy owner of the Swarovski SLC I love em.  They have excellent optics are built like a tank and yet fit my hands better then any of the others (other then the EL) Couldn't be more pleased.  Plus I have not had any experience with Swarovski warranty but from a little research they have GREAT customer service.

 

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I spent some time at a local retailer yesterday comparing the SLC to the EL. It's hard to judge binoculars indoors but after spending some quality time with both the conclusion that I came to was that the EL was slightly better (IMHO).

1) As was indicated above, the EL had a more neutral color. You could easily see this when scoping small white signs across the store. The SLC was not bad in this category, in fact it was far better than any other binocular in the store, save the EL. The SLC gave the sign a small color hue that was slightly distracting while the EL was crisp and very clear. Had I not had the EL right there for a side by side comparison, I would have never noticed this in the SLC, that is just how minimal it was. -- +1 for the EL.

2) The depth of focus was also better in the EL. The image was crisp and clear from the bottom of the viewing window to the top once you set the focus. In the SLC the image would blur on the edges. I'm guessing that this is due to the longer length of the EL so this could be a plus for the EL in the image focus category and a negative due to the additional length. YMMV, but the side difference is small enough that I really don't think that it matters. -- +1 for the EL (image focus), +1 for the SLC (size)

3) Both the binoculars were capable of an incredible image once focused correctly. I was reading small tags all the way across the store without any difficultly. Image clarity on the EL was slightly better, I believe that this was due to the color issue addressed above. The EL also took the edge in ease of focus. The focus reacted quickly to adjustments yet was easy to "fine tune". The focus on the SLC didn't react as quickly to adjustments which made "fine tuning" a little easier at first. Once I got used to the fast focus on the EL however, I had no problems. I'm thinking that this is a personal preference category but for me it's +1 for the EL since I'd rather be able to focus on a distant object (game in my case) quickly and easily.

4) Ergonomically speaking the SLC fit my hand a bit better than the EL did. The SLC felt more natural in my hand. My guess is that this is due to the more traditional design of the SLC (it is very similar in design to binoculars that I currently own and have owned in the past). The EL was quite comfortable as well but the design is something that I would need to get used to. -- +1 for the SLC.

+3 EL
+2 SLC

I was very limited in what I could do in the confines of my local retailer which was a real bummer. Both of the binoculars are excellent and are far better than the glass that I'm used to hunting with. My feeling is that I'd be more than happy with either pair. Unless I'm able to track down somebody local who owns both so that I can do a more through evaluation (highly unlikely), I think that I'm going to go with the EL. Side by side the EL was a 1/2 notch above the SLC regardless of what I was glassing. I loved the fast focus knob once I got used to it and the depth of focus was awesome. I also believe that the color neutrality of the EL will really help in low light situations (which will be a real help while scouting). On the downside the EL is noticeably more expensive than the SLC. Does that matter when you're buying a "once in a lifetime" pair of binoculars? For me, no. I'd rather know that I got the very best pair of binoculars that I could get from the very start. That way, years from now, I won't be kicking myself for not scraping together a bit more cash and getting the binoculars that I really wanted.

So it's going to be the EL for me. Now I just need to scrape together a little more cash. 

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rebby,

I wish that there was some way to do a comparison between the Swarovski EL 10x42mm and the Vortex Razor 10x42mm.

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I found a dealer near me that stocks both Swarovski and Vortex. I'll try to stop by there sometime in the next week or so. Hopefully they'll have both the EL and the Razor. After spending some time with the EL, I'll be shocked if the Razor is any better...
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I'm not expecting it to be better, just wondering how near it approaches the Swaro EL?

Would appreciate your thoughts/comments, if you have an opportunity to check out the Razor.
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Hi. I have just purchased a pair of SLC 7 x 42, which are the old style light olive ones. I was using a pair of Leica BA 8 x 42 which I loved, but was really struggling to focus them, continually having to fiddle with the di-opter, which forced me to a pair of 7 x bins. First off I tried a Zeiss BGAT 7 x 42 which was terrible, and very dissapointing considering the reports I read about them, so I traded them straight back in for the slc 7's.

I was suprised by these new ones, they are every bit as good as the Leicas, if not marginally better. I was told that the optics in the old slc and the new slc are exactly the same. If I was in the market for a new pair I wouldn't hesitiate to buy the slc 7x42 as my first choice. The only thing I have looked through any better were Zeiss 7 x 42 fl, which were in a class of their own, but were a couple, well £300 more.

I am really pleased with my Swarovski slc'c, but they don't suit everyone. My experience with the Zeiss Dialyt proved just how indidual the choice of binocular is!

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My local dealer did not have any of the Vortex binoculars in stock at the time that I was there. After giving them all one that look (the SLC, EL, Leica, & Zeiss), I purchased a pair of 10x42 EL's.

Thank you everybody for your assistance... I'll try to reply to this thread once I have a chance to really test these out with a "field review."
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well I looked last fall and after going through almost everything that 2 stores had I decided and bought my "lifetime" pair of binos. I bought the swaro`s in 10x50 scl. WOW ! they rock ! I liked the minox for inexpensive but I was very suprised by the nikons. awhile later I bought my son his first pair of "lifetime" optics, no not the swaros as I could `nt afford them. but I bought him the nikon "dream season" atb in 10x56 camo. WOW ! they were even better/brighter than the nikon "team realtree" atb`s AND the regular nikon atb`s. for whatever reason the "dream season" atb`s are much brighter, even more so than the 12x56`s. great glass. I have a friend that bought the leupold olympics in 10x50 tan and he swears by them. they are very good glass too I think. actuall with the exception of the the swaros the leupold and those special atb`s from nikon were VERY nice glass !

of course that is all well and good as long as you still own them 4 months after you bought them. you see both of our pairs are owned by someone else now as they freaking STOLE them, along with all of our other hunting stuff and my freaking truck. got the truck back but our stuffs still floating around someplace.

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Originally posted by hunterman67 hunterman67 wrote:

of course that is all well and good as long as you still own them 4 months after you bought them. you see both of our pairs are owned by someone else now as they freaking STOLE them, along with all of our other hunting stuff and my freaking truck. got the truck back but our stuffs still floating around someplace.

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That is the exact reason that I posted this thread. Somebody stole my SLC's. I replaced them w/a pair of 10x42 EL's but I'm still pretty @#$@#%!% off about the #$!@%%! who sole my SLC's (along w/about $24k worth of other stuff).
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yep now there are two of us. I am not quite at 24k, but including the truck damage I am close.
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