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Swarovski Z6

 

Even though we believe riflescopes of today are on the cutting edge of light transmission, eye-relief, and Field of View it’s hard to think that there could be much improvement made to the purely optical qualities. Manufacturers release various new features such as one improved reticle design after the other and various forms of illumination. But more often than not these new features offer very little creativity or imagination.

However, Swarovski has interrupted this pattern and they have done so with force!

Swarovski have developed a new series of riflescopes with a 6X zoom which will greatly increase the number of applications the scopes can be used for. Commonly riflescopes have 3X zoom, which limits the scopes use in different applications (short range vs. long range etc). Now, some of you might think to yourself, this guy has no clue  almost all modern European scopes use 4X zooms such as the 1.5-6 or the 3-12! Of course I’m aware of these scopes, and naturally I do own a number of them myself, but most of these so called 4X zooms are only useful as 3X zooms. Let me clarify the picture for you (pun intended); most 4X zoom scopes suffer from a tunnel effect when used on the lowest magnification so their usefulness is no greater than that of a 3X. Since the purpose of the lower magnifications is to give as wide a Field of View as possible, then what good is it if that FOV is limited by tunnel effect? However, the new zoom from Swarovski is a true 6X without any hint of tunnel effect. This means that on the lowest magnification the Z6-series have up to 50% greater FOV than other scopes!

 

 

The models

 

There are four models in the Z6-series both with standard reticles and with illuminated reticles (called Z6i). The scopes can also be had with or without a mounting rail for those who do not wish to use standard rings. It’s important to note that these four models were not developed specifically for the U.S. market, but instead they have designed the first four models based on what should be appropriate no matter where you end up using the scopes. The four current models are 1-6x24, 1-6x24 EE (Extended Eye-relief), 1.7-10x42, and 2-12x50.

 

These models should cover most needs but most likely there will be long range of additional models sporting the 6X zoom. In the near future I would hope to see 1.7-10x50 or possibly 1.7-10x56, which should prove to be a big seller over here in Europe and other places where there is a lot of hunting for roe deer, fox and wild boar during dusk. It would be very welcome to only need ONE rifle scope for anything from tight driven game to the most discriminating dusk or night hunts.

 

All Z6 models have constant eye relief, so the shooter does not have to move his head to find the perfect picture. This is in my opinion an extremely important feature and one of the main reasons why I personally have sold my Oregon-made scopes. The eye relief on the 3 standard models is 3.74 inches which is an improvement compared to the previous models.

 

 The highly specialized 1-6x24 EE with its extended eye relief is also a highly interesting scope, with 4.72-inch eye relief it is highly suited for dangerous game. Not only does it have a long and consistent eye relief, but it is also combined with a very wide FOV of 100 yards>.

 

 

Z6 from a historical perspective

 

Historically this should prove to be a milestone. If I was to rank it this would be the greatest invention since the 1922 release of the Zeiss Zielmulti, which was the first variable and illuminated rifle scope. Or perhaps it has to stand back for Mr. Smakula’s (also of Zeiss) 1935 introduction of the coated lens which did wonders for light transmission and multi-lens use in optics. Depending on your point of view this is either the greatest invention in 85 years or in 72 years.

 

 

Impact

 

For the hunter who wants a multi-use scope that should work for a several types of hunting, the 1.7-10x42 is a perfect choice. To great extent the 1.7-10x42 eliminates the need for owning multiple rifle scopes or rifles with different scopes. Today many of us are used to swapping from one rifle scope to another depending on what type of hunting we will do that day, and it’s very common to have a low magnification scope or an Aimpoint for driven game and another one with greater light transmission for hunting in dusk. For those who already use a 1.1-4X and a 3-12x56 the impact of the Z6 won’t be noticeable. But for those who are about to invest in new optics the Z6 is worth your attention. Even though the Z6-series will be about 15% more expensive than similar scopes on the market, the total cost for just one scope instead of two or more (not to mention rings and mounts) will prove to be quite a saving.

 

For the hunter who has a dedicated rifle set up for dusk, with let’s say

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Maybe for Swarovski this new design will come through for them. I can honestly say I really don't see the big deal over this new design. I have done quite a bit of comparing specs between the new Z6 and the Zeiss Diavari Victory and there just is not enough difference between the field of view and the upper and lower magnifications offered to be declared the next great thing. The lens coating are the same on the Z6 which is what I was hoping would change for more light transmission. Swarovski Z6 offers the 1.7-10X42 while Zeiss Victory offers 2.5-10X42 ect.......I know Swarovski will promote this to the hilt and I which I could see much improvement from what Zeiss has been offering for quite a few years with the Diavari Victory and I would probably give Swarovski a try.  Just my opinion and I'm sure some other people out there will see the new Z6 differently.By the way I am not trying to knock Swarovski in any way this HIMO.

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1.7-10x42 is a particularly successful combo of magnification and objective size. At shorter distances where you might not use more than 6X magnification, the 42mm lens is just as good as a 56mm lens.

 

well duh!!!  Haken is certaily enthusiastic about all this. Is that a Winchester conversion on a 98 mauser?

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I am sure some people will like it.  I have a IOR scope with 6x erector (which hit the market well before the Swaro) and it works well, but I honestly do not see it as having much practical advantage over a 4x erector.

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Hi

 

How great the Z6 is or not is probably very dependent on what kind of shooting or hunting you do.

For the hunter who mostly hunts on longer ranges and uses his scope on 7-9X magnification there is no value in this one.

But for the hunter who ofter shoots at short ranges but also would like to be able to fire at long range i think this scope is great.

Compared to Zeiss 2,5-10 the FOV on the Zeiss is 14,2meters and 25,2 on the Z6 1,7-10X.

Well not on the same magnification, but on the same scope, and that is what i find particulary usefull.

The Z6 1,7-10X does actually have somewhat bigger fov than Zeiss 1,5-6.

I don't have to switch betwen a low and a high magnification scope but can have the same scope regardless.

 

The fact that they did get away with all the tunneleffect is also a fairly big archivement in my opinion.

 

The illumination system is also interesting, in in my opinion the best solution of illumination controlls i have seen and used so far.

 

I am not either overwhelmingly fond of second focal plane reticles, but in this case I belive it's the best solution.

If the scope would have a BDC ( with locking turrets like zeiss new ones) the scope would be really perfect for nearly all situations.

And Swarovski told me lately that they maybe in the future maybe will reconsider to not install BDC.....

 

No sight will ever be perfect for everybody, even if we don't look at the price.

But as I see it, the Z6 are the most universal scopes today and in the high end market I am convinced that many that will buy a new scope will buy the Z6 instead of Zeiss or SuB.

 

Regards Technika

 

 

 

 



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Technika, your points are well taken.  I definitely agree the illumination controls are very nice!  You're right that the value of this scope depends entirely on the type of shooting/hunting you plan to do with it, but of course the same can be said for virtually any scope.  Differing laws and shooting customs is why different scope designs are more popular in the U.S. vs. Europe and vice-versa.  I like FFP reticles for big game and low light situations, and SFP reticles for varmint and target shooting.  On this scope, I do think the SFP reticle makes more sense due to the 6X erector.
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Greetings from Tasmania,

 

Chris, your review of the new Swarovski Z6 series sights is superb (as are the photos).

 

I currently use  PVN 3 - 12 x 50 scopes on all my hunting rifles with Butler Creek flip up lens caps to protect the lenses.

 

I am thinking hard about one of the new Z6i scopes but cannot find any info as to whether Butler Creek have come up with a flip up cap for the ocular lens for this model.

 

Can you clarify this point for me please ?

 

Many thanks.

 

Philip

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The review was done by, Hkan Spuhr aka Technika.

 

At this time Butler Creek does not make an EYE flip up large enough.  You can use an OBJ cover for both ends if you just gotta have flip ups. 

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Hi Chris,

 

Many thanks for reply - I do like the flip up type covers as they as they seem to protect things pretty well. I have used them all over Australia & in South Africa with good results.

Again many thanks.

 

Philip 

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Is the illuminated dot on the 1-6 model bright enough to use like an Aimpoint, or at least S&B Short Dot bright?  If it is I'll will buy 2 of them, if not, I won't.
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Is the illuminated dot a projected dot so you can use the crosshairs underneath or is it just a dot etched in the middle of the crosshair that is there whether the scope is illuminated or not?  Also is the 1X setting of the 1-6Xx24 a true 1X like I have on my Meopta 1-4X?  I would like a scope that does not have the permanant dot in the center of the reticle (like a S&B Short Dot type dot) yet retains the daytime visible illumination of the Meopta Meostar 1-4X22 KDot and has a true 1X and 6X magnification.

 

Is this scope actually in stock at your location outside Dallas?  Would it be possible to come see it in person?

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Originally posted by UPSguy UPSguy wrote:

Is the illuminated dot on the 1-6 model bright enough to use like an Aimpoint, or at least S&B Short Dot bright?  If it is I'll will buy 2 of them, if not, I won't.

 

The illumination is adjustable and at the brightest setting it can be used like an Aimpoint.  The illuminated portion is much sharper than an Aimpoint and the amber color makes it more user friendly.

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Originally posted by DevL DevL wrote:

Is the illuminated dot a projected dot so you can use the crosshairs underneath or is it just a dot etched in the middle of the crosshair that is there whether the scope is illuminated or not?  Also is the 1X setting of the 1-6Xx24 a true 1X like I have on my Meopta 1-4X?  I would like a scope that does not have the permanant dot in the center of the reticle (like a S&B Short Dot type dot) yet retains the daytime visible illumination of the Meopta Meostar 1-4X22 KDot and has a true 1X and 6X magnification.

 

Is this scope actually in stock at your location outside Dallas?  Would it be possible to come see it in person?

 

The dot is etched onto the reticle but you can not really see it (even when its powered all the way up).  It is a true 1x and we have most of them in stock for you to look at but you might want to call first as these scopes are very popular and very hard to get right now.

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And you will have these in stock when?  From your last post do you have them available right now?

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59136 is in stock.

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What is the MOA of the dot on these?
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Center Dot

1x = 8.89" at 100 yards

6x = 1.48" at 100 yards

 

Big Circle

1x = 109.3" at 100 yards

6x = 18.04" at 100 yards

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With your return policy I think I am going to have to give one of these a try.  Just curious, is the 1.7-10 with the illuminated TDS4 reticle in stock too?
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As not to further hi-jack this thread, let's take it to PM or e-mail.

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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Center Dot

1x = 8.89" at 100 yards

6x = 1.48" at 100 yards

 

Big Circle

1x = 109.3" at 100 yards

6x = 18.04" at 100 yards



So what is the reticle subtension of the dot for the 1.7 - 10 power scopes?

Also on the Illuminated Circle , when you turn the illumination off does the circle (both of them) dissapear and are you left with just cross hairs?

Same question for these

Does the Zeiss Victory offers 2.5-10X42 have an illuminated option or is that just for the 50mm model?



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Well,well. It has been eight month since that Z6 review was posted and the Z6 couldn't "sweep the market like a wildfire" and the "other" european brand didn't "take huge losses". The fact is that the Z6 are not selling well or.... at all... at least here in Europe.... Why? Because Swarovski has nothing really new to offer the european hunter (excepting the extended eye relief) when compared to Zeiss riflescope. For me personally, Swarovski has never attained the reliability that Zeiss has offered for ages and in my case, adjustment repeatability is the "name of the game". "What you dial is what you get"... And this Zeiss deliver everytime, anytime...be it the old model Series Diatal, Diavari Z, state of the art Series Diavari Victory or the new Classic Series Z (old Z SERIOUSLY improved). About the Conquest series (USA market) I cannot say anything but I doubt that there is no intrinsec quality despite the lenses not being the same just as the Swarovski's AV Series (American Variable) have lenses with different coatings than the (European Market) Premium Series (Habicht PV).

 Now... about the Swarovski's so much touted 95% plus light transmission... Yes...indeed. It is measured lens to lens...but NOT AIR TO AIR...as Zeiss measures it........I wonder....

About the author's tunnel vision complain...just as the old Habicht model had it, the old Zeiss too....but just at the lower magnification and to a LESSER degree than Swaroski's....

 So, what else is Swarovski offering? Beside that "advantageable zoom" that almost nulifies your field of view? Oh  yes, the Extended Eye Relief... That's an improvement much needed for the sake of my eyebrow specially when I squeeze the trigger on those .375H&H 350 vicious grainers at the range... But then ...Why I'm not running to buy one Z6 EER? Because they are not offering the 30 year guarantee on the Z6 (have you notticed that they do not mention that ?).... just only 10 year guarantee (in small print)... and for nearly USD$ 2.000 I rather prefer to buy a brand that is proud to advertise their product in big blue capital letters written all over the scope's paper :30 YEAR GUARANTEE... That's how we are used to test brand for centuries...Longevity...If you are truly good you have nothing to fear...A manufacturer that knowingly uses the hand of a "gunwriter" for foul, dubious or misleading publicity is not worth of trust...it applied yesterday,it applies today...

So, Im going to wait for Zeisss Extended Eye Relief model...with Lotutec...

Best Regards.

Mannlicher7.

 

 

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Here in Sweden have the Z6 sold all the scopes that have been availible to the market.

Swarovski have their orderbooks full and it's going great, they couldent have sold more as they are selling everything they are producing.

But I assume that the markets in Europe varies quite a lot, and it's possible that Swarovski completely have failed in Portugal.

I have myself not bought any Z6 yet, but a 1,7-10 as a general scope for both fast driven game and stalking would be fine, just not had the money.

 

Of course is not the Z6 best on everything, light transmission is better on Zeiss and Zeiss are unbeaten when it comes to low light scopes.

 

I still see the new magnification ranges as something really great for the hunter who hunts everything betwen fast running on 5 yards up to stalking on 250.

 

Regards Technika

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I had a Swarovski Z6 1.7-10X42 with TDS reticle for evaluation in 2007. This was a rail model, and my Swaro rep also sent along a Ruger to Rail adapter. I mounted the scope on my Ruger M77 African .375 Ruger for some testing, and also made a Montana elk hunt.

The combination of the rail and the adapter made the scope a bit too high for me on this rifle. Also the mechanical details of the adapter, the action and the scope underside dictated than only one mounting location worked. The scope mounted there was not as far forward as I wanted it, and I had to be very careful not to be whacked on firing.

The glass was great, the reticle is comparable to others available, and I could only use about 6X at max while hunting. I did not explore the whole capability envelope this scope has, and for me a cheaper scope was "enough glass" for this application.

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