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I just ran a search for Swarovski and Leica spotting scopes on ebay and was really surprised to see quite a
few of each listed for sale at prices WAY below what they'd be from an authorized dealer. I suppose these are
the gray market pieces that you hear about. This really makes it hard to buy used glass from ebay because
you really wouldn't know if it's a product that's going to be warranteed here in the USA. Are there any true
honest deals out there? Probably not.

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The answer to your question will depend largely on how you define the concept of "deals."  If you are trying to pick up a NIB Swaro EL with full US warranty for under $1000, you're probably going to be S.O.L.  On the other hand, if you are looking to simply save a few hundred dollars off of full retail prices, there are plenty of opportunities.

 

SWFA's Sample List has high-end optics listed well below the cost of NIB models and many come with at least some kind of warranty.

 

There are numerous places that sell Refurbished and/or Demo models (from the SHOT show, SCI convention, etc.)  Many of these also come with at least basic warranties and some come with the full warranties - just as if they had been bought "new." For example, not long ago I picked up a "refurbished" Bushnell Elite (that retails for just under $1000) for $500.  That's 1/2 price!  Before committing to the purchse I checked very carefully with both the vendor and also with Bushnell directly to ensure that the binocular did, in fact, retain its full lifetime warranty.  This particular deal is long gone but, others like it can be found if you are willing to be patient and search.

 

I would not generally consider Ebay to be a particularly "safe" place to buy (used) optics - at least, not if you are concerned with capitalizing on warranty coverage. 

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Make sure that you have a transferable warranty if you purchase a scope. Calling Leica USA or Swarovski USA helps, as well as asking the person selling the product about warranty cards, etc.

Just don't buy a Swarovski scope from Romania for $600. 

the samplelist.com is as good as it gets.



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If a Europeon/Asian import Swarovski scope only costs 800.00, wouldn't possibly be worthwhile to buy one and enjoy the high quality optics even though there wouldn't be a warranty.

 

Theoretically speaking of course.

 

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Originally posted by sage1 sage1 wrote:

If a Europeon/Asian import Swarovski scope only costs 800.00, wouldn't possibly be worthwhile to buy one and enjoy the high quality optics even though there wouldn't be a warranty.

 

Theoretically speaking of course.

 

S1

 

Before you buy, please check the eBay feedbacks on the past purchases. If you see many happy buyers who bought the same products from the same sellers, then you will have a much better chance scoring a good deal from a reputable eBayer dealers. Most of eBay deals are great because the sellers do not have physical store so their overhead costs are much lower than the B&M store and they can charge price closer to the minimal price authorized by the manufacturers.

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Originally posted by spf2 spf2 wrote:

Originally posted by sage1 sage1 wrote:

If a Europeon/Asian import Swarovski scope only costs 800.00, wouldn't possibly be worthwhile to buy one and enjoy the high quality optics even though there wouldn't be a warranty.

 

Theoretically speaking of course.

 

S1

 

Before you buy, please check the eBay feedbacks on the past purchases. If you see many happy buyers who bought the same products from the same sellers, then you will have a much better chance scoring a good deal from a reputable eBayer dealers. Most of eBay deals are great because the sellers do not have physical store so their overhead costs are much lower than the B&M store and they can charge price closer to the minimal price authorized by the manufacturers.

 

BTW, I would caution buying anything from sellers based in Asia and East Europe. Not because of discrimation. There are too many con artists there.  Buy from US or West Europe based sellers will be much safer and you will have a better chance to track them down if a deal goes bad..

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Originally posted by sage1 sage1 wrote:

If a Europeon/Asian import Swarovski scope only costs 800.00, wouldn't possibly be worthwhile to buy one and enjoy the high quality optics even though there wouldn't be a warranty.

 

Theoretically speaking of course.

 

S1

 

Again, that depends on your definition of "worthwhile."  (And no, I'm not trying to pull a Clinton here.)

 

Although optics companies all have very busy customer service department, most consumers don't ever actually use their warranties. Sometimes this is because they don't want to deal with the hassle. Some times it's because they would just rather just buy whatever is the current latest and greatest. Most of the time it's just because the products perform exactly the way they should and warranty service isn't required. 

 

On the other hand, while warranties may not seem real important when you are pulling the money out of your wallet to pay for your new super-glass, they can really make your day if/when you need them. My dad had the same Leupold scope on one of his rifles for over 30 years.  A couple of years ago, the scope stopped holding zero (we don't know why.)  He sent it to Leupold for repair under their Lifetime Warranty and instead of repairing it, they just sent him a brand new scope.  I had a Pentax binocular that, while hurrying to get gear packed into my SUV and out of an horrendous rainstorm, got accidentally shoved in a bag with a bunch of stuff that scratched the heck out of the objective lenses.  I sent it to Pentax fully expecting them to say that such damage was not covered by their warranty but, I figured I had nothing to lose.  To my great surprise, they sent me a brand new binocular! 

 

So too, there is a lot to be said about the service you get from some of the more established places than from the fly-by-the-night internet vendors that are here today and gone tomorrow.  Chris (the owner of this forum) has often posted a link to a very interesting consumer tracking database that keeps tabs on many of these outfits and the frequent problems that people have in their dealings with them.  Providing good customer service (regardless of the industry) requires that there be trained people available to deal with issues.  Such people don't work for free.  

 

You need to just be very aware of the fact that if you go the dirt cheap route, you may get lucky and save yourself a few bucks at the front end of the deal but, you absolutely will be giving up your opportunity to cash in on the gaurantees, warranties, and service later on should they be needed.  After all, you didn't pay for those benefits. This could end up costing you a great deal more in the end. "Stuff" happens and I for one am perfectly happy to pay a reasonable premium to get a warranty that will protect my investment.  Saving money can sometimes prove to be very expensive.

 

 

 

BTW, If you go that way and something bad does happen, please don't try to sully the reputation of the manufacturer by posting about their "terrible customer service."  It actually happens quite frequently.  In fact, I suspect that the majority of "bad customer service experiences" that I have read about in the last few years have their roots in someone trying to save a quick buck by buying on the "grey market" and then getting all upset when something goes wrong and the manufacturer insists on sticking to the limitations clearly posted in their warranties.   

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Unlike many camera makers, a lot of good optics manufacturers do not issue geo-specific warranty. That means that they cover the product globally. It will be a good idea to check their warranty policy detail before you make a purchase.  It will never hurt to check multiple sources: go to B&M store to physically view the product, do price comparison on the internet etailers, and eBay/Amazon can be good place finding a bargain.  As long as you get genuin product, the warranty will be covered by manufacturers, instead of any sellers.  Even with some "reputable" sellers, when your product is out of their return period, you will always be referred to manufacturers for service.  I have checked many warranty fine prints, I have never seen one binocular/spotting scope maker requires customers to buy from "authorized" dealer in order for warranty to be valid.

 

Anyway, I bought my Bushnell Elite spotting scopes and Leupold GR 10x42 on eBay from two different sellers in the last two years.  I saved the a lot compared to what the local stores wanted to charge me. 

 

Good luck with your shopping.

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