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In reading over several posts there appears to be some dislike or bias toward Swarovski scopes.  Maybe it's just my imagination.  Are there problems with the Swarovski Scopes or is it just personal preference for other brands?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
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save some money get just about the same scope buy a kahles
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I have posted some negativety toward the Z6 . I think Swarovski is a great optics company, however, when I got the chance to view through a new Z6, I didn't see anything to call home about. But I would still prefer the Kahles over the Swaro.
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Originally posted by HuntMaster HuntMaster wrote:

I have posted some negativety toward the Z6 . I think Swarovski is a great optics company, however, when I got the chance to view through a new Z6, I didn't see anything to call home about. But I would still prefer the Kahles over the Swaro.
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IMHO, You must have looked through a knock-off that posed as a Z6. Big%20Smile Just kidding. I've seen someone post negatively just recently about the Z6 having fish eye, yellow glass, etc., that's cool, it's his opinion. There's always someone out there with a negative opinion or bad experience about a brand name product whether it's a rifle scope, a truck, etc.

I have a Z6 2-12x50 that I've used many times successfully in the past year. I'm not one of the experts nor am I as knowledgeable as most on this site but I can tell you from real time experience in the field that this one awesome scope. Watch and see in 2008 as other manufactures improve on the Z6 technology.

2007 T-Bone Riflescope Optical Rating Scale

 

10 - Swarovski Z6, Zeiss Victory, Schmidt & Bender,

 

9.5 - Kahles CL

 

9 - Swarovski PH & American, Zeiss Classic

 

8.5 - X.O.T.I.C., IOR 35mm line

 

8 - Kahles KX, IOR 30mm line

 

7.5 - Zeiss Conquest, Meopta Meostar

 

7 - Leupold VX-7

 

6.5 - Bushnell Elite 4200, Nightforce, Nikon Monarch

 

6 - Leupold VX-L, Sightron S2 Big Sky

 

5.5 - Burris Black Diamond, XTR & Euro, Sightron S3

 

5 - Burris Signature Select, Meopta Artemis, Pentax Lightseeker, Super Sniper, Trijicon, Sightron S2, Weaver Grand Slam, Leupold VX III & Mark 4, Mueller Tac II

 

4.5 - Burris Fullfield II, Millet TRS

 

4 -  Nikon Buckmaster, Leupold VX-II, Simmons Aetec (pre-Meade)

 

3.5 - Bushnell Elite 3200,  Millet Buck Gold

 

3 -  Leupold Rifleman & VX-I,  Mueller (sans Tac II), Redfield USA, SIghtron S1

 

2.5 - Leatherwood, Simmons, Swift

 

2 - ATN, Tasco

 

1.5 - Barska, Leapers

 

1 - BSA, NcStar






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I am asssuming that 10 is the best and 1 being the worst on this scale.

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2007 T-Bone Riflescope Optical Rating Scale

10 - Swarovski Z6, Zeiss Victory, Schmidt & Bender,

9.5 - Kahles CL

9 - Swarovski PH & American, Zeiss Classic

8.5 - X.O.T.I.C., IOR 35mm line

8 - Kahles KX, IOR 30mm line

7.5 - Zeiss Conquest, Meopta Meostar

7 - Leupold VX-7

6.5 - Bushnell Elite 4200, Nightforce, Nikon Monarch

6 - Leupold VX-L, Sightron S2 Big Sky

5.5 - Burris Black Diamond, XTR & Euro, Sightron S3

5 - Burris Signature Select, Meopta Artemis, Pentax Lightseeker, Super Sniper, Trijicon, Sightron S2, Weaver Grand Slam, Leupold VX III & Mark 4, Mueller Tac II

4.5 - Burris Fullfield II, Millet TRS

4 -  Nikon Buckmaster, Leupold VX-II, Simmons Aetec (pre-Meade)

3.5 - Bushnell Elite 3200,  Millet Buck Gold

3 -  Leupold Rifleman & VX-I,  Mueller (sans Tac II), Redfield USA, SIghtron S1

2.5 - Leatherwood, Simmons, Swift

2 - ATN, Tasco

1.5 - Barska, Leapers

1 - BSA, NcStar
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you should stick around for leupold reports!!!!
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

you should stick around for leupold reports!!!!
 
 
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Yep.  Poor leupy.  They're kinda the Rodney Dangerfield of OpticsTalk.  Cant get any respect.  Big%20Grin
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I think the flavor here is not so much that swaro is not good, its more that the optical difference between them and kahles is very little and there is a price difference. That makes kahles a better bang for $ spent. Same as 4200 elite while IMHO is not the scope that a conquest is in several ways....its a better bang for $ spent due to its lower cost. You just get 95% of the better models optics and features for maybe 60-70% of the cost.

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Originally posted by Focus Focus wrote:

I think the flavor here is not so much that swaro is not good, its more that the optical difference between them and kahles is very little and there is a price difference. That makes kahles a better bang for $ spent. Same as 4200 elite while IMHO is not the scope that a conquest is in several ways....its a better bang for $ spent due to its lower cost. You just get 95% of the better models optics and features for maybe 60-70% of the cost.

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Well said!!Thunbs%20Up
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Thanks for all of the input.  I was just wondering if there were problems with the Swarovski scopes, but it appears that most just feel that the Khales offers similar optics and performance for less money.
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I don't have a thing against Swarovski. Swarovski is very aggressive in their marketing strategy here in the USA.
 
While they do make superb optics its IMO their optics just arent as clear in low light as the top of the line Zeiss Victory models.
 
If you hunt where 30 minutes past sunset is the norm a Swarovski scope is all you will ever need.
 
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That goes for the Kahles scopes to.
 
The top of the line 30mm 3-12x56, I feel like you get the same or better performance than with a Swarovski.
 
But again, Swarovski is more than enough scope for 90% of the low light situations in north America.
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swaro is just as good as zeiss if not better at anytime  i have both diavari and swaro ph

 

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Originally posted by Obi Wan Kenobi Obi Wan Kenobi wrote:

I don't have a thing against Swarovski. Swarovski is very aggressive in their marketing strategy here in the USA.
 
While they do make superb optics its IMO their optics just arent as clear in low light as the top of the line Zeiss Victory models.
 
If you hunt where 30 minutes past sunset is the norm a Swarovski scope is all you will ever need.
 
 
My VariX-III's are good enough for that. Too bad we can't hunt later in Michigan to see the brightness advantage to Swarovski optics. 
The contrast and resolution are excellent, though my experience is limited to the 3-9.
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