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Hello to all, I am new to the forum and would like some input on which spotter to go with. I am looking at the Swarovski ATS 65 25x50 or the ATS 80 25x50. Purpose would be range and field use.  Any input is greatly appreciated.
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You might expand your criteria to include the Leica Televid's... With the introduction of the new 82 & 65mm models, their are some super buys out there on the 77 and 62mm models and you won't be sorry with either of these scopes!  NV Hunter  
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really? which characteristics / doifferences are there between the swarovski HD and the Leica Televid 77 ?  Do have any of them?  Thanks a lot
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I had a look through a televid 77 APO and my neighbor's Zeiss Diascope 85T FL side by side a couple of months ago.  At higher mags of 45-60x the Zeiss was clearly brighter, sharper, and had better contrast.  At lower powers they were too close to call.  I particularly didn't care for the fact that the Leica's eyepiece did not lock in place and a couple of times I inadvertently loosed it while playing with the zoom.  I hear great things about the Swaro HD's, but I do not like the helical focus system, as I much prefer the two wheel focus of the Zeiss, Kowa, etc.  The Leica was much longer and heavier also.  Just my observations. 
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Later models of the Televid 77 had an eyepiece lock, so you might inquire about that if you are considering buying a used Leica.  Mine did not, but the zoom eyepiece I bought for it did have the lock pin.  I solved the issue by simply gluing a tiny washer on the scope body next to the eyepiece socket to give the eyepiece lock pin something to click into when it is tightened.  Works like a charm, isn't noticeable when the eyepiece is in place, and cost less than $1.

I too prefer the dual ratio focus on the Zeiss, Leica, Kowa, etc. scopes over the helical focus on the center of the scope body.  I find it is much easier to get a super sharp focus while keeping the scope steady.  If I were buying an alpha class scope today, I would probably get the Kowa Prominar 88 or 65.  I've never seen any scope I thought had better image quality than the Kowa 88.
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Well...

Hey JG Raider have you got your spotter yet?

I haven't decide between the Kowa 65, SwaroHD, Leica 77 or Zeiss66.....

I'd get the Zeiss Diascope 66 if it would have a 60X eyepiece.....
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No, I haven't pulled the trigger yet either.  I'm still considering the Kowa 664 pretty hard, mostly due to the 60x zoom like you.  I'll probably pass on the Swaro 65 as I just don't want to spend that much.  That Vortex Razor sound good too, but I don't like angled eyepieces.  I seriously considered the Nikon 25-75x82 ED also, but some say the zoom is lacking eye relief.  I, like you, really like that Zeiss Diascope 65.  I'm wondering if a 45x will do most everything I want when hunting.  I hunt primarily open country where you can see a long way (up to 2-3 miles).  Decisions, decisions.....really gets confusing sometimes.  If I wanted to spend $2k today, I'd definitely get a Kowa 774 Prominar. 


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Based on your preferences, I believe I would get the Kowa Prominar 664, JGRaider.  I'd have a hard time believing it isn't fully the equal of the Diascope 65 optically.
 
If you are willing to go with an 85mm class objective, keep in mind there are some "like new" Diascope 85's on the Sample List that are in-line with the price of the other scopes you mention, and it will get you to 60X...
 
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Thanks Rifle, I appreciate the feedback.
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Thanks for all of the input. I posted the wrong models though. I am actually looking at the ATS 65 with a 20-60x. I guess that is the older model. I am able to get them through AMX rewards for no outlay in $$. I currently have a Leupold Wind River Sequoia 15-45x and just cannot get comfortable with it. That is why I was leaning toward the Swaros in an angled design. Heading to Colorado in September on an Elk hunt and want to be prepared. Againg thanks for all the input so far.
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Check out the zeiss/leica scopes as well
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the heliocentri focus on the swaro is both easier to use and much more rugged. In and out of cars, it is much more streamlined and wont stick on to other objects. Imo the swaro 65mm is the best small and the kowa 88mm flouro is best big one atm.
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