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i have narrow it down to thes two. a Swarovski american 3-10x42 or a zeiss conquest 3.5-10x44  i would to know how they compare i am looking for the best low light scope i can buy for under 1000.00. is the Swarovski worth the extra $. i looked through a zeiss at gander mountain it was the clearest they had i looked at them all. the plastic turrents covers turned me off. i neverd looked at a Swarovski if i bought one it would be through the internet without looking at it if the Swarovski is a better i will buy it thanks dale
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i would also know how visable the Etched  reticle is in low light on the zeiss
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I have the zeiss 3-9x40 conquest and the swarovski from my eyes to close to call

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I would save a few more dollars, go to the SWFA Samplelist and get a Diavari 2.5-10.  My opinion, based upon comparisons, it is worth the extra.  HOWEVER, if you go to the samplelist, you can get a Conquest for a LOT less money.  I am still partial to the Diavari, though. 
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I would save a few more dollars, go to the SWFA Samplelist and get a Diavari 2.5-10.  My opinion, based upon comparisons, it is worth the extra.  HOWEVER, if you go to the samplelist, you can get a Conquest for a LOT less money.  I am still partial to the Diavari, though. 


Good advise!!

The Swaro AV is on sale at SWFA as their making room for the new z3; check the sample list for Swaro too.
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does the zeiss  Victory Diavari 30mm have 1in guts like most 30mm to get more clicks its going on a hunting rifle i don't want to buy a 30mm with 1in gut that i will never use
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whats the deal with the Samplelist are they used, refurbished, trade ins
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The Diavari is a better scope with better glass than the Conquest.  It sells new for about 2+ times more money than the Conquest.  Some of the earlier Diavari high powered models had some parallax problems but this scope model does not.
 
Samplelist can be trade-ins, refurbished or display models.  Usually they say so, if they are display or refurbished.
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is the zeiss and Swarovski true 30mm scopes do they have better fov and are better in low light i been thinking about buying one off the samplelist i just don't want to buy a zeiss Diavari 30mm with the same guts as a conquest but if they are true 30mm and are better in low light and clearer i only have one gun with a scope so i don't mind spending the money for a good scope i know a lot of 30mm scope have 1in eractors for shotting long distance which i do not do
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The choice between Swarovski and Zeiss 30mm tube scopes comes down to price and features.  Both these scope brands were designed as 30mm scopes and have about the same level of quality and reliability (very high).  Both of their 30mm designs both preceded their 1" American market designs by many years. 
 
The Zeiss Conquest is a totally different animal, designed for the Amarican market just as the Swarovski AV (1" tube) is a different scope than Swarovski's 30mm models.  Both company's 1" American scopes are a derivative of their 30mm models, not the other way around. 
 
Go to these company's sites and do some investigation before spending your money.  The decision is yours to make.  People here have stated that the Zeiss Diavari is a very good value.  Find out for yourself.  We are not the ones that are going to be using the optics.
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Just an FYI. What caliber are you shooting? If it is a Magnum you might want to consider a 30mm scope. It has been mentioned in this forum many times that Swaro recommends a 30mm scope for magnum calibers.
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Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Just an FYI. What caliber are you shooting? If it is a Magnum you might want to consider a 30mm scope. It has been mentioned in this forum many times that Swaro recommends a 30mm scope for magnum calibers.


I believe the same thread mentioned that both Swaro and Zeiss recommended this of their 1" tube scopes. With that said, I'm sure there's many who have these scopes mounted on their larger caliber rifles with zero issues.
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I had a Swaro.pv 3-12x50 ............and I have 3 Conquest and just got rid of one on a gun !
 
I personally can not tell much difference in low light for deer hunting.............which is what I mostly do ! My buddy bought his son a 3-9x50 Conquest and is having a hard time justifying the difference compared to his 3-12x56 Diavari for "deer hunting" !! So like I have seen stated before on here .............and my limited experience.............it costs a lot at a certain point - to get a little ! You can only decide that..............I personally sold all my high end stuff and have all conquests and a bushnell 6500 now !! And the 6500 is right there in most aspects but the reticle is kinda silvery in bright light.......otherwise kinda hard to tell from a Conquest imo !!
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I would save a few more dollars, go to the SWFA Samplelist and get a Diavari 2.5-10.  My opinion, based upon comparisons, it is worth the extra.  HOWEVER, if you go to the samplelist, you can get a Conquest for a LOT less money.  I am still partial to the Diavari, though. 


Between the Conquest and the Swaro, Swaro, definitely!  It is brighter, clearer, and sharper to my eyes.  And I really like the Swaro ballistic reticle.

I own/have owned the Conquest in question and the Swaro in question; in a side-by-side, the Swaro wins.  If the scopes will never be side-by-side, the Conquest is plenty good.  If you want the best of the 2, get the Swaro.

That said, KB's advice is great, I own the Diavari too and it is an utterly magnificent scope.  I know it is significantly more than the other 2, but it is fantastic, very clear, very bright, very great scope.

Between Conquest and Swaro AH, Swaro- all the way.  If you can scrimp and save and eat Rammen for a few weeks, the Diavari will amaze you.
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Originally posted by cbm cbm wrote:

I had a Swaro.pv 3-12x50 ............and I have 3 Conquest and just got rid of one on a gun !
 
I personally can not tell much difference in low light for deer hunting.............which is what I mostly do ! My buddy bought his son a 3-9x50 Conquest and is having a hard time justifying the difference compared to his 3-12x56 Diavari for "deer hunting" !! So like I have seen stated before on here .............and my limited experience.............it costs a lot at a certain point - to get a little ! You can only decide that..............I personally sold all my high end stuff and have all conquests and a bushnell 6500 now !! And the 6500 is right there in most aspects but the reticle is kinda silvery in bright light.......otherwise kinda hard to tell from a Conquest imo !!



Mostly agreed, law of diminishing returns.

There are advantages to the higher end scopes, if you can live without those - or your eyes don't see a difference and your gun isn't a recoil monster -save the money (spend it on ammo) and get the less expensive scope. 
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i will be puting it on a remington 700 275 roberts just trying to figure out if the 30mm is any better then a 1in in low light there are no stores that carry these scopes in scock in my area
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I do not own either, but I would definately not let the plastic turret caps turn you off from the Zeiss.  After all, they will not dent and are not likely to shatter.  I would liken them to polycarbonate AR mags which I find superior to metal mags, they do not dent and the good ones you can drive your pickup over and they will keep on working.
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I own a 5-15x42 Diavari V/VM, an older Diavari 3-9X36 and a 3-9x40 Conquest.  I also own an 4-12x42 AV Swarovski and a Kahles 3-9x42 AH, plus a 3.5-10x50 AH.  If you are going to use the scope exclusively on a .257 Roberts, I personally like the Swarovski AV.  They have been on sale at SWFA recently and may still be.  They are a terrific scope at a terrific price. 
 
As pertains to the Sample List, I have bought a couple of scopes from the Sample list and you get exactly what they tell you you are getting with full factory warrantee's, as applicable.


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Yeh RC, there's definately a difference.........it's just hard for me to explain to someone. But I also hunt with some Leica Ultravid bino's and have an older set of Zeiss Dialyt T* that I use hunting. For me......the bino's do all the work........I just need a scope that I can get on target and shoot with easily.
 
I guess if I had to put all my eggs in one basket.........a higher end scope would be the way to go ! But for me.........a high end scope and bino's are not really necessary together since these lower priced scopes have gotten so good !!
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There's no advantage to a 30mm tube in light gathering ability over a 1" tube.  The only advantage, if there is one, is the amount of adjustment, that's it.  I have a Swaro A 3-10x42, and a couple of 3.5-10x44 Conquests.  I'd rate the glass a smidge better on the Swaro, but it's close, and I love the etched reticles of the Zeiss.  For the money  I'd go with the Conquest. 

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Samples will vary from one to the next in both brands, so it depends on the sample you have at hand. It is possible to  have either one be better than the other, my opnion is Zeiss is a tad better for lowlight work, otherwise its a toss. But Swaro has the best cs in the buiss IMO.
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

There's no advantage to a 30mm tube in light gathering ability over a 1" tube.  The only advantage, if there is one, is the amount of adjustment, that's it. 

 
With the same wall thickness and material the 30mm tube will be stronger, also.
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If it has true 30mm internals it will not be brighter but it will have a better sweet spot all else being equal, more forgiving than a 1 inch and usually a cleaner picture and at power all else equal in general slightly better resolution.

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I agree that good binos do most of the tough work, but a scope of equal quality helps immensely, especially at longer ranges.

Given the original post and questions, I'd still recommend the Swao over the Conquest - and agree with KB that waiting a bit for the Diavari wouldn't be regretted. Ever.
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