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Would someone please give me a comparison of the quality/clarity of the AV scopes versus the PH models.I am unconcerned with tube size as it really does not factor in in light transmission.
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The optics in the AV are the same as the PH optics. I think that the W/E systems differ though but I am not completely certain of this. The PH will give you a wider range of adjustments due to the 30mm tube. John Barsness wrote a book called Optics for the Hunter and when he compared the two he could find no difference in optical performance. He used several testers for this comparison, young eyes and older and they could find no difference either in terms of optical performance. Also, in John's book he explains why euro optics cost more to manufacture. The answer might surprise you. Hint: mucher higher labor rates and import duties on euro optics.

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I think the glass quality is very similar between the two.  The one time I had a chance to look at these two I thought that PH had slightly better resolution near the edges of the field of view, but that is a very minor difference.

PH seems to have a more robust mechanism in its 30mm tube and a spring loaded ocular which can come in handy when a scope whacks you on the forehead. 

 

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One more thing, I think that the AV uses a wire reticle and the PH uses a etched reticle, I believe. I really don't think this warrants a $700 price difference in my book. The AV are superb scopes. One,last thing, 30mm scope tubes can create mounting problems and usually weigh quite a bit more than their 1" counterparts. I think you will be thrilled with the Swarovski 3-10x42 AV. Good luck.

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You guys left out the most important feature, first focal plane reticle.  This feature is offered on the PH line, except for the 4-16X50A/O, and the 6-24X50A/O.  That is actually the correct way to build a riflescope, because of Zero impact shift between powers, and no parallax to deal with. 

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Originally posted by David David wrote:

You guys left out the most important feature, first focal plane reticle.  This feature is offered on the PH line, except for the 4-16X50A/O, and the 6-24X50A/O.  That is actually the correct way to build a riflescope, because of Zero impact shift between powers, and no parallax to deal with. 

 

 

I couldn't agree more.

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all swaro scopes are wire minus their TDsreticle---big disappointment for the money they cost
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Originally posted by SAKO75 SAKO75 wrote:

all swaro scopes are wire minus their TDsreticle---big disappointment for the money they cost

 

Yeah, very true.

 

That statement could apply to other scope makers too.

Leupold and Nikon come to mind. 

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That's one thing that agrivates the hell out of me about my Swarovskis.  The reticle changes from black to gold in different light and as you move your head around.  I like a reticle to be black and stay black, because it shows up in low light better.  I am not sure if that is due to it being wire or not but my Zeiss, and S&B are always black.
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A Leupold reticle will be black in good to moderate light & change to gold in low light. I thought the gold was more pronounced in low light. Is this by design or because the reticle is wire?
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Originally posted by tbone1 tbone1 wrote:

That's one thing that agrivates the hell out of me about my Swarovskis.  The reticle changes from black to gold in different light and as you move your head around.

 

Why do you move your head around?   When you throw your stick up to position, and acquire your sight picture, the reticle should look black......

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I don't move my head around when I'm shooting.  All that I am saying is that the reticle is sometimes gold instead of black.  It is usually when shooting in sunlight.  The light will reflect off of the reticle and it will turn to shiny gold.  I simply don't like that.  I just got both scopes out and looked through them and the reticles are black, but not in all situations.  I have no idea what causes this, that is why I am asking.
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the reticle is made of wire which is cheaper than using etched glass which schmidt & bender uses on all of their scopes except their fixed power. zeiss uses etched as well and us optics and nightforce. obviously they are more durable
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Just Funnin with ya TBone1, I'm sure you can shoot!

 

That is a good question about the reticle, because that info. is not published in their catalog, nor could I find it on the sight.  Will get with them next week when they return from the SHOT, and I will see if we can come up with some answers.

 

 

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