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I have decided I will purchase a Swarovski Z6, in either the two mentioned above.
My questions are.

How do you rate these scopes next to each other. Eye-box, CEL etc? I would also like to hear all your thoughts & comments, about whichever you own, used or glassed.


This scope will go on my 375H&H, with shots ranging mostly out to 200, but I do indeed like the option of a 300+ yard shot as sometimes this is called for. And since I shoot 260gr Aacubonds & will also load up some 235gr Barnes TSX's............



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I like the 1.7-10 z6 for this application.  Mounts low, plenty of magnification on the high end and low enough for bayonet encounters.
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

I like the 1.7-10 z6 for this application.  Mounts low, plenty of magnification on the high end and low enough for bayonet encounters.
 
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Originally posted by 340Wby 340Wby wrote:

CEL)


Typo. Meant to say. CER. Critical eye relief
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The 2x12 is a really big scope, as big as my NF tactical scopes, if I had it to do over I'd get the 1.7x10x42 and sacrifice some exit pupil on the high end.
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lower power is better on that caliber.
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I have the 1.7-10X42 Z6i, and I absolutely love that scope!  To me, it comes very close to my idea of the ultimate all around big game hunting scope.  I have virtually nothing to criticize about it, except I wish it had some sort of water shedding outer lens coating like Zeiss's "LotuTec," Bushnell's "Rainguard," etc.

The 2-12X50 model is nice too, but I definitely think the 1.7-10X42 is a better fit for your rifle.  10X is plenty of upper end magnification for the majority of all big game hunting, and it has awesome field of view with zero tunnel vision at 1.7X.  I also prefer the "CD" circle dot reticle (I have the CD-I illuminated version), which isn't available for the 2-12X50.  The CD or CD-I would be perfect for your application, as it is very fast, easy to see in low light, and yet still fine enough for precision shots at the distances you mention.  If you opt for illuminated reticle, the Z6i illuminated versions have the absolute best illumination system I've ever used.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I have the 1.7-10X42 Z6i, and I absolutely love that scope!  To me, it comes very close to my idea of the ultimate all around big game hunting scope.  I have virtually nothing to criticize about it, except I wish it had some sort of water shedding outer lens coating like Zeiss's "LotuTec," Bushnell's "Rainguard," etc.

The 2-12X50 model is nice too, but I definitely think the 1.7-10X42 is a better fit for your rifle.  10X is plenty of upper end magnification for the majority of all big game hunting, and it has awesome field of view with zero tunnel vision at 1.7X.  I also prefer the "CD" circle dot reticle (I have the CD-I illuminated version), which isn't available for the 2-12X50.  The CD or CD-I would be perfect for your application, as it is very fast, easy to see in low light, and yet still fine enough for precision shots at the distances you mention.  If you opt for illuminated reticle, the Z6i illuminated versions have the absolute best illumination system I've ever used.


Coming from you, that's a ringing endorsement
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I have the 1.7-10X42 Z6i, and I absolutely love that scope!  To me, it comes very close to my idea of the ultimate all around big game hunting scope.  I have virtually nothing to criticize about it, except I wish it had some sort of water shedding outer lens coating like Zeiss's "LotuTec," Bushnell's "Rainguard," etc.

The 2-12X50 model is nice too, but I definitely think the 1.7-10X42 is a better fit for your rifle.  10X is plenty of upper end magnification for the majority of all big game hunting, and it has awesome field of view with zero tunnel vision at 1.7X.  I also prefer the "CD" circle dot reticle (I have the CD-I illuminated version), which isn't available for the 2-12X50.  The CD or CD-I would be perfect for your application, as it is very fast, easy to see in low light, and yet still fine enough for precision shots at the distances you mention.  If you opt for illuminated reticle, the Z6i illuminated versions have the absolute best illumination system I've ever used.

+1 on the 1.7-10x42. I also think that the 2-12x50 is BIG. With a 375 H&H, if you are considering expensive hunts, I would totally go for the illumination. You will get your money back and much more on the first shot you take around dawn or dusk.
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Thanks for all the comments men, it helped me allot!

I will purchase a 1.7-10 Swaro, but I am going to wait until I hear about this IC reticle system that Swarovski is meant to be bringing out. Zeiss have it, so it makes sense Swaro will too. And because it's going on my R8.
Plus I did hear Swarovski is matching Zeiss & Leica's wet weather coating as well, but I'm not 100% on that info???(maybe someone can confirm here). Which will be the icing on the cake for my hunting.
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In the mean time I have a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 as a fill-in ;)
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Definitely would go with the 1.7-10.  I loved the one I got to test and try out.
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I have a 1.7-10x Z6i on my .270. I’m building a Blaser R93 based “retirement battery”. My hunting will cover hunting my native Texas (.270 Win), Domestic US big game like Wyoming elk or Alaskan bear (.338 Win Mag), South African plains game (.338 Win Mag again), and South African Cape Buffalo (.375 H&H or .416 Rem Mag). I have all the barrels (9 in all) but need help picking scopes.

 

Recoil wise, when does the 3.7” eye relief of the standard Z6i cease to be fully adequate? At .338 recoil? How about .375 H&H? Is 3.7” enough for a .416 Rem Mag?

 

Some here have a lot more experience than me shooting these magnums from various field positions and I hope they will chime in.

 

Swaro makes an extended (4.7”) relief 1-6x model, but for .338 and .375 I’d like at least 7x and preferably 8x on top.

 

Any chance Swaro would introduce a 1.7-10 EE with at least another ½” relief (4.2”)?

 

I really wish they would bring out a Z6i 1.4-8x42 in std 3.7” relief and EE 4.2” to 4.7” eye relief. I’d put that on every non-varmint rifle I have.
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Like most have said the 1.7-10x42 would probably be the best choice for what your going to use it for. I have some experience with the 2-12x50 and I love it for my hunting needs that require a bit more magnification, etc. Due to the terrain and such out west we're pretty active during hunts and I find it's not THAT big like a couple have stated. No bigger nor heavier than some of the other higher mag scopes I've used in the past. 
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Originally posted by Brazos_Jack Brazos_Jack wrote:

I have a 1.7-10x Z6i on my .270. I’m building a Blaser R93 based “retirement battery”. My hunting will cover hunting my native Texas (.270 Win), Domestic US big game like Wyoming elk or Alaskan bear (.338 Win Mag), South African plains game (.338 Win Mag again), and South African Cape Buffalo (.375 H&H or .416 Rem Mag). I have all the barrels (9 in all) but need help picking scopes.

 

Recoil wise, when does the 3.7” eye relief of the standard Z6i cease to be fully adequate? At .338 recoil? How about .375 H&H? Is 3.7” enough for a .416 Rem Mag?

 

Some here have a lot more experience than me shooting these magnums from various field positions and I hope they will chime in.

 

Swaro makes an extended (4.7”) relief 1-6x model, but for .338 and .375 I’d like at least 7x and preferably 8x on top.

 

Any chance Swaro would introduce a 1.7-10 EE with at least another ½” relief (4.2”)?

 

I really wish they would bring out a Z6i 1.4-8x42 in std 3.7” relief and EE 4.2” to 4.7” eye relief. I’d put that on every non-varmint rifle I have.

yes, my .375H&H and my .300wby both are stout in the recoil dept and at 3.3" of eye relief i have yet to be scope bit, at 3.7" i would be in heaven. hope this helps a little.
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OP asked about relief, but while we are on the subject, my experience after 3k+ rds under a z6. 1k thru a lt. wt. mt. sporter the Ti, 1500 over an ar10 and couple of hundred on a 416 and a bunch more on ar varmit rig. Eye relief on the heavyz wasn't a problem because the low end of the zoom doesn't make you creep on the stock. And if your shooting a 416 on paper at 12x--- have fun. The rds in the ar10 allowed for very rapid target transitions from 50 to 500 yds. and the scope actually held up. (NFA weapons and hand guns are harder on scopes than hard recoiling rifles).
Things I don't like,--- plastic turrets and the numbers not continuing around the turret to use dial in on lower powers. The euro fast focus wobbles-started in at about 500 rds on the AR10. Scope not used for extreme accuracy.
While its fun to discuss what we think the best hunting scope is- it makes more sense to discuss what scope we got the most game. 
Then after using that "ideal" scope to get that much game in 5-6 years we look back and say -- Ya that was a good one.  
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

While its fun to discuss what we think the best hunting scope is- it makes more sense to discuss what scope we got the most game. 
Then after using that "ideal" scope to get that much game in 5-6 years we look back and say -- Ya that was a good one.  


good point, what actually works in the field..
I am in a similiar position..
I have a Kahles CL 3-10x50 MZ on my 308, it flat out works and has taken lots of game..
Though part of me wants to try something different, perhaps a more tactical oriented scope and use the rifle at 1k... but I am hesitant to mess with with absolutely works.
I have a rifle that will shoot 1/2" groups at 300 yards and a scope that will allow me to cleanly take game past legal hunting time.

I know the answer, leave that gun alone and build a different one :)



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Originally posted by ccoker ccoker wrote:

Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

While its fun to discuss what we think the best hunting scope is- it makes more sense to discuss what scope we got the most game. 
Then after using that "ideal" scope to get that much game in 5-6 years we look back and say -- Ya that was a good one.


good point, what actually works in the field..
I am in a similiar position..
I have a Kahles CL 3-10x50 MZ on my 308, it flat out works and has taken lots of game..
Though part of me wants to try something different, perhaps a more tactical oriented scope and use the rifle at 1k... but I am hesitant to mess with with absolutely works.
I have a rifle that will shoot 1/2" groups at 300 yards and a scope that will allow me to cleanly take game past legal hunting time.

I know the answer, leave that gun alone and build a different one :)



I just completed year 4 of hunting with my 2-12x50 z6. I don't think I'll need another year or two to say...  -- Ya that was a good one.
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I just completed year 4 of hunting with my 2-12x50 z6. I don't think I'll need another year or two to say...  -- Ya that was a good one.
 
 
 
Thats  a good recommendation.
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

I just completed year 4 of hunting with my 2-12x50 z6. I don't think I'll need another year or two to say...  -- Ya that was a good one.
 
 
 
Thats  a good recommendation.


Just using your philosophy on rating/recommending a scope which I think is great advice!!!  Thunbs Up
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