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Hello to the Swaro Guys,
Very soon the New Z-5 and Z-3 Swaro will be coming out. Im pretty sure I will be buying one model or the other. The Z-3 is a updated version (slimmer) of the old American. I would rather not hear opinons on scope magnification powers as that is another topic, please.
My question is on long distace shooting in the field. Which reticle would be more accurate and quicker?. The Ballistic Reticle or the Ballistic Turret with Plex Reticle? The Turret style is alot like the Kahles CL Multizero.

I would greatly appreciate any experience you may have on these styles of Swaro Scopes or the Kahles Multizero as it seems pretty much the same as the New Swaro Turret style.

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BR reticle gets my vote.  Thunbs Up
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The BR will be quicker if you know your drops.  The BT will be better in my opinion.  I have the MZ and a Sightron HHR.  I like the reticle picture better for the MZ than a BR style.
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Thanks Mike!! Say Brodeur272,

I just got my 3x10x42mm Swaro American back from Swaro today!! I sent it off to them to install the BR and it will be awhile before I can try it out..Yes, I lke the BT reticle better as well! Using a good range finder, how long can it take to dial in a range if the range is already set-up on the turret?
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The trick to ballistic reticles is highest magnification for anything to be meaningful (since it is not an FFP scope.)

Also, with the ballistic reticle, you can "assume" much; with the target turret, you tend to verify.

I own the ballistic reticle, I like the ballistic reticle; I'd rather have a ballistic turret - but it was not offered in my scope when I purchased.

Both are great, I'd take the turret over the reticle, but neither will disappoint.
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Thanks RC!!

I think I might try the Ballistic (Target) Turret with the plex reticle. The soon to be old Americans and PH scopes are still available obviously. I think I will wait for the Z3 and Z5 to come out, its a month or more away I hear. These new scopes are supposed to be a little more slim and compact even in the higher powers from what I read. I just got back my 3x10x42mm from Swaro in RI. they installed the BR on it, I cannot wait to try it...Its been mounted on my Kimber before but its still brand new, I will e-mail one of you to find the proper way to mount it. Im having to unlearn some bad habits since Ive joined this site. I will find out what to buy, bore sighter, torque wrench etc.
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My post wasn't real clear, allow me to clarify:


A ballistic turret is great so long as you know at exactly what distance each hash is a "point of aim."  With my ballistic turret on my 270, one hash is at about 432 yards - because that is where the hash is.

With a ballistic turret, you put the mark in at the 400 yard zero, or at the 435 yard zero, or wherever the hell you want.

With the turret, you can put the index marks in where they ahve the most meaning and utility for you.  With the reticle, the hash marks are where they are, and you gotta figure out at what distance YOUR ROUND is hitting that hash mark.

Clearer?

Prolly not, but I tried.
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Yes I understand perfectly, on the Ballistic Turret I can set dead on using the turret at lets say 200,300,400,500 and 600 yards..Or If I want to change it to 200, 350, 450,550, 650 and 800 yards depending on the amount of settings available on the given scope. The Swaro's new Turret System have 4 settings I think, plus 2 more you can crank up if need be I believe...
The Ballistic Reticle? Its pretty simple I go to the Swaro web site and put in all the caliber plus ballistic information.. The it all comes up on the screen for me to print out..Zero at say 200 yards, the first hash might be 246 yards or it might be 273 yards. The next dot or hash might be 325 yards and the next one 389 yards and on and on.. Yeah I get it, the web site makes it pretty simple as long as I stick with yardage..I also understand that the numbers at any given power will change.. For me I would keep it simple, I just got my 3x10x42 Swaro back and I had the BR installed on it.. I will only use the hash marks and dots on 10 power for what ever load Im using. I will print it out off the web site...That will be the only time I use those marks is on 10x....Otherwise it would get to confusing, to much sh*t to remember, read or whatever...

Thanks!
The next scope will have turrets!!!

JF
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As far as your question as to how long to dial it, I've only used it at the range and taken my time with it.  I hope to be setting up my 7-30 waters with several ranges in the near future and then using it to hunt.  Should be a good experiment.  Once I get it set up, I'll be better able to comment on "field" use.
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Ha! I thought I really liked the Ballistic Reticle, Now Im a little pissed at myself for being so hasty..To have the BR installed cost me 170.00....I looked through it last night after loosly placing it in the rings of my rifle, right before dusk..BAD IDEA , this reticle is NOT for low light conditions what so ever.. The reticle is nice the lines are way to thin.. I called Swaro, spoke with management and WOW they are decent people very nice .. They said send it back and the will put the heavier german (4A) reticle in it at NO COST!! Cool! They also said to NOT do this again as it will cost me next time, which I certainly do not blame them.. It was not there fault at all the first time..I looked at the web site and went by there pics and there pics make the lines look thicker..

So, No More BR by Swaro , way to thin! Im looking for another scope and it will be a turret ballistic with heavy or at least semi heavy reticle...

Maybe the Kahles? It looks cool!

JF
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Kahles with the 4a reticle is the only MulitZero reticle I prefer.  Good for low light with the thicker subtensions.
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