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What are your thoughts of rangefinder binos vs those without?
I am considering the el range vs the el. Other alpha glass options like zeiss or Leica?
I currently have leoupold tbx rangefinder and gold ring binos.
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The EL range is pretty nice optically, but doesn't have the bells and whistles of the EL SV (flourite objectives, field flattener).  

The Leica HD-B and HD-R (type 402) are the best, optically, of the current combos available.  Very impressive.
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SChunter, how do you like your Gold Rings?
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I have 10x42"s (43?). They offer crisp, clear views. I have hunted South Africa twice. The PH liked them better than his older style Leica. I have been pleased by the quality and clarity of the glass. Yet to see any new leupold offering since that had an equal view. To date they are my best bino purchase.
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I've got the 10x42 GR HD's myself for the past 5 years or so.  They are fantastic glass and built like a tank.
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I am currently testing Leica 10x42 HD-B and I am extremely impressed with both optics and ergonomics. I do not have the Swarovski EL range here to compare, but based on my recollections I am inclined to pick the HD-B.

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They're discontinuing the Swaro EL Range anyway, with no replacement announced so that may make your decision easier.   I kicked around the idea of a combined RF/bino many times.  While it would be convenient, I believe the electronics will wear out before the rest of the binocular, then you're left with an oversized, overweight binocular. 
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Absolutely JGR, very well put. I've thought the same thing. And the way technology is headed it could well be that you can buy range finding capabilities with premium glass for much less in only a few years.
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That is an interesting question. I wonder how many premium LRF bios out there have LRFs that just went and died.

I deal with LRFs a lot for work, and most of the ones I see are likely to still work fine when I retire (and that is not happening any time soon).

They are pretty robust.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

That is an interesting question. I wonder how many premium LRF bios out there have LRFs that just went and died.

I deal with LRFs a lot for work, and most of the ones I see are likely to still work fine when I retire (and that is not happening any time soon).

They are pretty robust.


ILya,

I have thought about this myself.  I have an older Bushnell Elite 1500 that just keeps turning back good measurements.  It is so reliable that I keep meaning to replace it with something newer and more compact, but never do.

It also seems that most RF binoculars could also be disassembled and repaired if needed in the future.

The optical performance of the new Leica HD-B and HD-R (porro versions) really have me considering this option.  They sure are expensive, but do replace two pieces of kit.


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Matt,

Unless I am mistaken, HD-R are roofs and HD-B are the new Perger porros.

I am looking at the HD-B 10x42s and when I am done sending them back to Leica will be VERY difficult.

Aside from the optical excellence, the shape of the barrels makes it easily the most comfortable binocular for me to hold of all I have tried.

ILya
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You ought to do a search over on 24HCF to elicit responses from the users of that unit.   There were/are several who have some field time behind it IIRC. 
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Originally posted by Whitefire Whitefire wrote:

Absolutely JGR, very well put. I've thought the same thing. And the way technology is headed it could well be that you can buy range finding capabilities with premium glass for much less in only a few years.
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Yes, and IMO useful optics technology is about as good as it's going to be for a big game hunter.  Any advances in hunting binoculars will be mostly meaningless.   Lots and lots of top shelf glass out there today.  I believe RF technology can still get better and better, while becoming even more affordable. 
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

You ought to do a search over on 24HCF to elicit responses from the users of that unit.   There were/are several who have some field time behind it IIRC. 

I did.

Most of what I found was you complaining about Leica warranty.  There are a few people who looked at it and most seem to be happy.

I'll be doing more formal testing on the one have, but my experience from a couple of days sitting in the blind with it last week is extremely positive.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

You ought to do a search over on 24HCF to elicit responses from the users of that unit.   There were/are several who have some field time behind it IIRC. 

I did.

Most of what I found was you complaining about Leica warranty.  There are a few people who looked at it and most seem to be happy.

I'll be doing more formal testing on the one have, but my experience from a couple of days sitting in the blind with it last week is extremely positive.

ILya

That's what I get for trying to be helpful I guess.  You didn't look very hard or yo would've found some good info.  
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Was that a tacit admission that his complaining was not "good info"?

I have never seen, on these internets, anyone as perpetually butthurt and self-martyred as our Raider.
"One of God's special creatures", he is.

Carry on.
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RC, that's the best you've got?  Really?  A pretty bold statement from someone who didn't even know a "steroid induced" whitetail from the big mule deer we shoot, remember that gem?  I should have known better than to offer help to a couple of egomaniacs like you two boys.  Pretty lame attempt by the midget Russian as well.  

I wasn't referring to my info on Leica's bino/rf combo units, as I don't own one, haven't used one, and don't intend to.  Many other people over there do have lots of time behind them though.  

Butt hurt and self martyred???? Farthest thing from the truth, but then again the truth is usually optional to you.  

Carry on Francis.  
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Why did you say..."Midget Russian"?? 
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I am moderately certain that noone has ever called my a midget before.  I suppose some things are new under the sun.

As for the whole Russian thing...

That is moderately irritating.

I am as much of an American as you are JG.  Where I had the misfortune of being born was not under my control and is non of your concern.

As for 24hcf, if you go and search for Leica LRF binos there, likely more than half of the posts are you being a whiny SOB. 

That is a matter of being minimally observant.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

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As for 24hcf, if you go and search for Leica LRF binos there, likely more than half of the posts are you being a whiny SOB. 

ILya

You'd be wrong again.  
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Perhaps you did not look hard enough?
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Matt,

Unless I am mistaken, HD-R are roofs and HD-B are the new Perger porros.

I am looking at the HD-B 10x42s and when I am done sending them back to Leica will be VERY difficult.

Aside from the optical excellence, the shape of the barrels makes it easily the most comfortable binocular for me to hold of all I have tried.

ILya


I am referring to the HD-R type 402/3. Same optics as HD-B, different rangefinder and no SD slot. Leica's model naming leaves much to be desired.

http://us.leica-camera.com/Sport-Optics/Rangefinders/Leica-Geovid/Geovid-Range

Scroll down in the link.
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Matt,

Unless I am mistaken, HD-R are roofs and HD-B are the new Perger porros.

I am looking at the HD-B 10x42s and when I am done sending them back to Leica will be VERY difficult.

Aside from the optical excellence, the shape of the barrels makes it easily the most comfortable binocular for me to hold of all I have tried.

ILya


I am referring to the HD-R type 402/3. Same optics as HD-B, different rangefinder and no SD slot. Leica's model naming leaves much to be desired.

http://us.leica-camera.com/Sport-Optics/Rangefinders/Leica-Geovid/Geovid-Range

Scroll down in the link.

That is indeed a weird naming scheme.

Isn't the type 402/403 the version that works for bowhunting?

Thanks
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Yes it ranges closer with angle comp up close and out to (i believe) 600 yards, and even gives straight ranges to 1600.

Pretty nice and I believe $400 cheaper than the HD-B.
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