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I was browsing around Hulu.com recently and I came across a show called "Survival School." It is a documentary portrayal of the USAF's SERE training. It is kind of interesting though, I have noticed some problems...

1. The young men taking these classes are woefully lacking in even basic outdoor skills. What did they do as kids? I learned a lot of these same skills as a child and as a Boy Scout (and I was a terrible Boy Scout). Not a good sign when a high percentage of soldiers have literally no experience with the outdoors.

2. Throughout the program the narrator talks about these guys carrying 70 lb. packs. What the heck are they carrying? It's not weapons/ammo as none of them carry any such things during this training program. It can't be food because during certain segments they made a point of saying that the airmen were required to forage around for their food.

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Probably computer games...........and cell phones.
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70 pound packs... Forward area controlers, that's radio and lots of it. They are Air Traffic Controlers like the Army Pathfinder. They control both ground and air.  Or could be Freddy the Frog, the PJ's, Para Rescue Medic with a M-16. They find downed pilots. They are more like a SEAL medic.
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No, I don't think so.  These weren't squads of soldiers going through combat operations or drills or learning SAR techniques.  They are groups of airmen supposedly learning how to "survive in harsh environments" with only the things they might have if they had to ditch from their airplane (minus any weapons as they weren't carrying any). 


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Those guys never work in anything more than a four man team.  It fast rope off the Jolley Green or parachute in. There are also the guys out of Hunter or Alaska or the AWACS crews. There are some other people, but they are not on the books.
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I met 3 of these guys when on an antelope hunt in SD Oct. a year ago. The were hunting some public walk in land next to where I was hunting. They were based at Ellsworth AFB. 2 were instructors that had just returned from a 6 week exercise in Alaska. Nice guys. Helped them pull a doe out.
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All air crew members probably have to go through SERE  (survival resistance evasion escape ) training.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

All air crew members probably have to go through SERE... training.
The show indicated that only a very small percentage of airmen are accepted into the school - and even fewer graduate.  Apparently it is a kind of Air Force badge of honor to be allowed to wear the SERE-Specialist beret.
 
Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

 ...(survival resistance evasion escape )...
Oh, and I think this would spell out SREE.  Bandito


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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Those guys never work in anything more than a four man team.  It fast rope off the Jolley Green or parachute in. There are also the guys out of Hunter or Alaska or the AWACS crews. There are some other people, but they are not on the books.
Are you sure we are talking about the same guys?  These soldiers were doing their training in 9-person "elements" and the show presented this as being simple survival-after-ditching-form-your-airplane training; certainly not any kind of "Special Forces" or "Black-Ops" kind of units.
 
Watch an episode or so of the show on HULU.com and I think you'll see what I mean.  These are not highly-trained warrior-types.  Rather, they are young kids whose parents evidently were woefully neglectful in teaching them about the wonders of the natural world. 
 
 I think Ed hit the nail right on the head when he suggested they have been too consumed with computer games and cell phones.


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Most of the Air Forces Special forces are techincal people rather than the "Snake eaters ." Other than the "snake eaters" listed. Lots of people died during the cold war that were special electronics techs flying in planes.  Their job was to fix things in flight. 
 
Even if you have a Flight crew, the enlisted are often not survival trained.  People like the WSO, Stick actuators and Navagator get the those schools. There are not alot of people on board. Unless you are in one of the special planes. Those can have a number of people on board. 9 people would not be like a whole crew training together.  It would be new people going to crews.  Survival school is also a washout school.  You take that before they put the big money into you.
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