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Suppose a guy had (up to) $1500 burning a hole in his pocket. He had this new rifle coming...a Sako 85 Finnlight in 7mm-08. It's to be used for "typical" northeast U.S deer hunting...kind of a walkabout gun. Some shots may be close-up woods shots, others up to 300 yards across fields and cut lines. I would think something light in weight and good in low light situations would be beneficial. Of course, everything is a compromise. What would you recommend and why? I'll start off: Swarovski Z3 in 3-9 X 36. Who's next? Big Smile
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Premier Heritage 3-15x50 Hunter 30mm Riflescope Premier Heritage 3-15x50 Hunter 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - PRH11004
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  • 30mm
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$1,650.00 


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http://swfa.com/Schmidt-Bender-25-10x40-Summit-Riflescope-P44706.aspx

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Stock # - 940872
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Weight (oz): 16.9


#7

Length (in):13.29
Eye Relief (in):3.93
Field of View @ 100 yards (ft):40.4 - 12.3
Exit Pupil (mm):16 - 4

It's not too heavy, has a good low light reticle, 2.5 on the bottom is good in the woods, 10x on top is enough power to easily reach out to 300. Besides it's an S&B and I want one too....



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Zeiss Victory.  I have the 3-12 and it is among my favorites, great glass, great field of view, great low light, and a nice water-shedding coating.

I have a Premier tactical, I am guessing the Premeir will be top shelf, but haven't seen/used the new light hunter - so cannot yet recommend.

Get a Zeiss Victory, you will never regret it!
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I would find another $100 and get this:
 
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But, it would be a tough call between the Zeiss and the aforementioned S&B Summit 2.5-10X40.
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With that budget there are not a-lot of "bad" choices. Maybe some just not as suitable as others..


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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I would find another $100 and get this:
 
+1
 
But, it would be a tough call between the Zeiss and the aforementioned S&B Summit 2.5-10X40.

How about between the Summit and one of the scopes I linked on the Samplelist?

For me that would not be a tough call at all.

Besides, unless you need significantly longer shots, I would take 1.5x of the Zeiss over 10x of the S&B any day and twice on weekends (and the Zeiss is a touch lighter to boot).

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I would find another $100 and get this:
 
+1
 
But, it would be a tough call between the Zeiss and the aforementioned S&B Summit 2.5-10X40.

How about between the Summit and one of the scopes I linked on the Samplelist?

For me that would not be a tough call at all.

Besides, unless you need significantly longer shots, I would take 1.5x of the Zeiss over 10x of the S&B any day and twice on weekends (and the Zeiss is a touch lighter to boot).

ILya
 
In theory, yes, I'd jump all over the SL scopes at those prices.  However, I don't like the super tall illumination knob protruding directly 12:00 on top of the eyepiece.  It poses a clearance problem with my gun cases, and I just think it's a bit of an eyesore.  If those same scopes were of current vintage, with the current side mounted illumination knob, I'd definitely agree, as I'm an unabashed illuminated reticle slut.  I refer specifically to the Varipoint model.  Not sure about the illuminated Diavari; it may very well have the side mounted knob, but it didn't have a photo.
 
On the magnification, I'm a fan of 1.5 - 6X, but I'm also a fan of 2.5-10X, and which one I choose would depend on the rifle and application.


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That S&B might overpower (size wise) on a short actioned 7-08.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I would find another $100 and get this:
 
+1
 
But, it would be a tough call between the Zeiss and the aforementioned S&B Summit 2.5-10X40.

How about between the Summit and one of the scopes I linked on the Samplelist?

For me that would not be a tough call at all.

Besides, unless you need significantly longer shots, I would take 1.5x of the Zeiss over 10x of the S&B any day and twice on weekends (and the Zeiss is a touch lighter to boot).

ILya
 
In theory, yes, I'd jump all over the SL scopes at those prices.  However, I don't like the super tall illumination knob protruding directly 12:00 on top of the eyepiece.  It poses a clearance problem with my gun cases, and I just think it's a bit of an eyesore.  If those same scopes were of current vintage, with the current side mounted illumination knob, I'd definitely agree, as I'm an unabashed illuminated reticle slut.  I refer specifically to the Varipoint model.  Not sure about the illuminated Diavari; it may very well have the side mounted knob, but it didn't have a photo.
 
On the magnification, I'm a fan of 1.5 - 6X, but I'm also a fan of 2.5-10X, and which one I choose would depend on the rifle and application.

Illuminated Victory scopes have the illumination on the side of the turret box, I think.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:


Illuminated Victory scopes have the illumination on the side of the turret box, I think.

ILya
 
I have a pre-Lotutec illuminated 2.5-10X50 Diavari probably made around the same time period as those, and it does indeed have the side knob, but I'm not sure if they've always been that way.  I despise the unusually tall eyepiece knob directly on top of the eyepiece.  It's just waiting to get snagged on stuff.


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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

That S&B might overpower (size wise) on a short actioned 7-08.
 
I dunno.  I certainly wouldn't want it to be any larger, but it's borderline by my standards.  It's only about an inch longer and 1.9 oz heavier than the Zeiss Victory 1.5-6X42.
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Maybe I'm the odd one out here but while I like illumination in some circumstances I am not an big fan of it on what I would term a general purpose hunting rifle which I believe a 7-08 to be. I also like 1.5-6 mag scopes and while a 300yd shot can easily be done with 6x mag I think the 2.5-10 is just more suitable in this instance. To me that mag range almost seems tailored to the capabilities of the 7-08. It just provides a little more versatility on what I think is a very versatile (and also underrated) cartridge. 

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I would go for this one:

http://www.samplelist.com/Riflescopes-C4.aspx#Swarovski

That is a versatile mag range, and an excellent scope in every area.

The mentioned S&B and Zeiss options are also great.



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Yeah buddy on the same list Z6s for $1400, the 1.7-10x Z6 is the perfect scope IMO.  Perfect mag range, super good glass, and a decent size.
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Add another vote for the Zeiss.
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

I would go for this one:

http://www.samplelist.com/Riflescopes-C4.aspx#Swarovski

That is a versatile mag range, and an excellent scope in every area.

The mentioned S&B and Zeiss options are also great.





Woops, not the whole list!

This one:

http://www.samplelist.com/Swarovski-17-10x42-Z6-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-B-P1803.aspx
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Great responses...keep em' coming. I do think it's important to scale the scope to the rifle / uses...
 (this refers to physical size and weight). I'm also thinking to try something a bit different...already have Swaro Z3 and S&B Summit. The Zeiss is on top on the list so far but... it's a tad heavy and FFP (I think). I'm not sure about FFP as I've never had one. I do like the LoutuTec coating idea though. Another "outside the box" thought would be a S&B 4 X 36. I've always liked fixed power scopes (K.I.S.S. theory). Decisions, decisions, decisions. Life is tough when a person has more dollars than sense. LOL. Loco

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I've thought about that fixed 4x S&B a couple times but always ended up going a different direction. Now you've got me thinking again. It's nice to see that even at the higher end of the scope lines how much choice there is now.. 
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I use a Swaro Z6I 1-6 but to my eyes I would pick my Leica ER 3.5-14 asa the better hunting scope.

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I forgot about the Leica. That's a possibility also. 
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there are the two leica's on the SL that Chris and Brady used on their hunt, basically new scopes!
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

there are the two leica's on the SL that Chris and Brady used on their hunt, basically new scopes!


Thanks G, I haven't checked the SL recently. I will now do so. Smile



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Bugs, Do you hunt from a stand or still hunt and how important is rifle balance to you?

I hunt with a light 7mm-08 in the northeast and I usually am still-hunting from dark to dark, which is why I bought a light rifle. I did not like the 15 ounce weight of a 3-9 Conquest I used last season due to how it affected my rifles balance. If you spend most of your time hunting from a stand, you will probably not mind the weight and will like the performance of a euro scope. Food for thought.
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