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I am brand new to using a rifle (last time I shot a rifle was nearly 30 years ago, a .22).  I have never been hunting, but I plan to hunt white-tail and rabbits this year, primarily in PA.  In the future, there is some possibility that I will add additional varmints to the list, but that is in the future.  I enjoy target shooting, and I will probably put 100 rounds every 2 weeks on the range during reasonable weather. 

I have already purchased a Browning X-bolt .243, and I am now looking for an appropriate scope for it.  It is very unlikely that I will be getting a second rifle anytime soon (except perhaps a .22 for plinking). 

I am looking for a scope that I could use on the .243 for both  deer and rabbits.  Given that I have never been hunting, I don't actually know what shooting distances are likely to be, though it seems unlikely to me that I will be shooting over 300 yds under almost any circumstances. 

My preference would be for a smaller, lighter, lower mag scope with excellent optical quality. 

My main decisions are
  1. Choice of magnification between current "standard" of 3-9 power vs. the older standard 2-7, or 2.5-10.  What are the tradeoffs here from a practical point of view?  How important is the extra magnification at the high end vs. reduced FOV at the low end, vs. optical compromises due to a large magnification range?
  2. How important is an illuminated scope for the kind of hunting I am considering?  Is the firefly reticule useful/interesting?
What I am looking at right now:

Bushnell 4200, 3-9x40
Sightron SII 3-9x42 big sky
Sightron SII 2.5-10x32
Nikon Monarch 3-9x40
Nikon Monarch 2-8 x 32

any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Warmly,
Eric


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 HEY Eric.  First off,WELCOME to OT!!
 
 It's good to hear your getting back into shooting and are going to get into hunting.  You made a wise cartridge selection to.  Although a bit too powerful for rabbits if you plan on eating them.  Bucky
 
  Out of the scopes you've listed my hands down choice would be the 4200 3-9x40:
 
  If you'd want to step up to the next level in scopes for $100 more you can get this:
 
 
  BUT that 4200 has been highly regarded as one of the best deals in scopes for a long time and would serve you well for over 90% of the hunting you'd ever do. 
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First off welcome to OT, that being said there is very little difference between 3-9 or 2.5-10 as far as power goes.You have picked several excellent scopes to choose from,there is one other you should add to your list-Zeiss Conquest 3-9 x40 with a #4 or #4a German ret.As far as the firefly goes it will only last about 45mins.[that's how long it goes on my 6500 elite]As far as illumination goes that's a personal thing,it adds weight & cost to the scope.Hunting at night or early twilight hours is the only time that usualy comes into play.
You purchased a very nice rifle & it deserves a good piece of glass,try to look at as many scopes as you can before you purchase.All the above is just my $.02,this site has alot of people with alot of knowledge,youv'e come to the right place,One last thing,All the aboved named scopes can be purchased at SWFA,they are also very very helpful,give them a call....good  luck buying & hunting.
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A great gun like that deserves a good scope. Look hard at  the Zeiss Conquest 3-9X40. They can be had for 399.00 right now. Tough to beat at that price.
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 HEY Eric.  First off,WELCOME to OT!!
 
 It's good to hear your getting back into shooting and are going to get into hunting.  You made a wise cartridge selection to.  Although a bit too powerful for rabbits if you plan on eating them.  Bucky
 
Ya think! lol 
You definatly need to look at getting that 22 for the rabbits and plinking.
  
 
 
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
  If you'd want to step up to the next level in scopes for $100 more you can get this:
 
 
I'd say that was some great advise.
 
ALso welcome to the OT Eric.  There are a couple of other members here from PA so you may wanna shoot them an email and see if they may be able to meet at a range or something and let you take a look through some of their glass.  I think bud has a 4200 but I am not sure. I'm sure he will post on here and let you know.
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if you want the best glass out of the group you listed take the big sky SII.
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I think a 2-7 would be sufficient, if you would prefer a smaller and lighter scope.
 
This is a smoking deal right now, and they are going fast!
 
 
Otherwise, spend the money and get the Conquest.
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I also think you should had the conquest 3-9x40 to your list.  All the scopes you listed are quite nice and should fit the bill.
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you picked an excellent selection , and listed them in the right order as far as performance for the dollar
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Eric,
Glad to hear you are going to get into hunting! Although I am new to the OT, I am certainly not new to hunting! I have been hunting for 35 years and in that time I have gained a bit of experience with optics... what I am about to give you is only my opinion and Im sure some will disagree, but for what its worth... of the scopes you mentioned I own both the 4200 and the monarch and consider them both great scopes, but the monarch, at least to my eyes is the better scope. as far as light up reticles, they look "cool" but I honestly have not found them to be very useful in real world hunting situations, especially on the brighter settings. Welcome aboard and enjoy!
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Everyone:
Thank you so much for the welcome and for the encouragement.  I have more super-newbie questions... :-) 

if you would be so kind...
  1. I don't know anything about Vortex as a company.  I have seen their 2-7 x32 advertised, and that is an attractive mag range for me.  But, I know nothing about them or their glass.  In the set that I listed, and perhaps compared also to the Zeiss, where would the Vortex fit?
  2. How do the Bushnell 4200 series compare to the Bushnell 3200?  I ask mostly because the 3200 series has significantly more options in terms of mag (for example, there is no 2-7 in the 4200 line) and reticule (only the 2.5-10 has a firefly option in the 4200 line). 
  3. It seems to me that there must be a tradeoff in optical quality with a longer zoom range.  This is certainly true for cameras (a set of products that I know quite well).  Given that, are there any compromises that people notice between a 2.5-10 (4x range) and a 3-9 (3x range).  On a camera lens, the difference between a  28-135mm (4.8 x) and a 24-70mm (approx 3x) optics would be very very large, especially at the ends of the mag range.  Do people notice real differences under actual hunting conditions?
  4. The SII Big Sky and the Zeiss are about the same price - I think that I would choose the Zeiss in that range.  I didn't mention the Leupold VX-II, is there a good reason to include it in the set?
  5. Given that Nikon makes amazing camera lenses, people don't seem as enamored of their scope optics.  I am curious why that should be so?
  6. In the world of cameras (and laptops!), lugging around an extra few ounces always looks trivial on paper, but in reality, an extra 3-6 oz always feels really heavy after lugging it around all day.  How much should I worry about differences in weight?
Thanks so much for all the help and encouragement!

Eric
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1.the vortex viper isnt to far behind the zeiss conquest (optically) vortex has been around for a while (1986) bino's were probably their first claim to fame.

2.the 4200 is better all the way around.

3.with the 2.5x10 and the 3x9 you wouldnt notice much

4.no

5.cs dept is very sporatic, but they do make a pretty nice product, ive owned several nikons over the last 10 yrs the monarch is pretty good.

6.that depends on you, i wouldnt let weight sway my options, good glass is heavier than crappy glass.

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one thing no one else has mentioned.  The 4200 and the Big Sky both have a weather coating on then that is fantastic for hunting.  If you get water on your lens it sheets it right off where the other scopes with blot and are impossible to see out of.  That alone would make me pic one of those for hunting.  I have both and I think the Big Sky has a little better image.  It is also clearer to the very edge of the glass where the 4200 gets a little distorted.  Both are very good scope though, I highly recommend them.  
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Ive had a Sightron SII and SII Big sky and while the optics were nice the eye relief and eye box were VERY critical as to eye position. I like the 4200 series. Also, I believe the RAINGAURD works better than the Sightrons Climate Control coating.
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My .02 cents  says go with the 4200 or the conquest.  You will be happy with either.  Good Luck.
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NIKON RULES AND BUSHNELL DROOLS!!!!
 
 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

NIKON RULES AND BUSHNELL DROOLS!!!!
 
 
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IS Bushnell's customer service more or less sporadic than Nikon's? If I were in the market for a scope I would definitely be looking at Vortex. Their pricing and features are very much to my liking, not to mention fantastic customer service. 
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Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

IS Bushnell's customer service more or less sporadic than Nikon's? If I were in the market for a scope I would definitely be looking at Vortex. Their pricing and features are very much to my liking, not to mention fantastic customer service. 

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