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Chris,

I have heard rumors that a Super Sniper Variable is in the works, but it is "a long way off".  Could you please define "a long way off".  Is it up to 12 months away, 12 to 24 months away, or more than 24 months away?  I am looking for a best guess, not a hard number.  Can you tell us what the power range may be? The ranges of 2.5-10, 4-16, 5-20 seem like obvious choices.  Are any other features being looked at? For example, Leupold style M3 turrets a BDC system, illuminated recticles or internal level bubbles?  Is there any chance of something similar to a Leupold 3x9x36 MT/R scope or maybe something to compete with the 4 power Acog's & IOR Valdada M2'sIf any of this needs to be held confidential, I understand.  I was just trying to get a little insight.  Thanks.

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We are always working on new ideas and right now the variable SS is merely an idea.  If everything went as smooth as possible with the factory, our testing, etc. it would be about a year.  Power ranges would be close to the three you mention as the obvious choices.  BDC dials and different reticles are being considered.  No plans for a MR/T or ACOG type scope yet.  We want to take baby steps and bring products to market deserving of the SS history and name.

 

On another note however you will be pleased to hear about a new scope from a new scope company that will be debuting in our new catalog that is printing right now.

 

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Chris,

I hope that you guys are successful in bringing out the new products.

Stan

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Thanks Stan, hopefully this scope will be as successful as the Super Sniper. We wouldn't wanna let you guys down!!
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Chris, if you guys could come to market with an ACOG style scope for the same price you do the SS for, you folks would clean up.  The price/availability of ACOGs is a major PIA, and most people have to settle for something less than what they want, or wait 6 months for it.  Just post something over on AR15 about such an item, and see what kind of feedback you get! 

I think I'd have to hit the lotto before I'd could rationalize paying the $$ for an ACOG, given my couch commando status lol.  On the other hand, I had no trouble spending the $300 for a SS.  An ACOG style scope for $300 or so would sell like hotcakes, imho.  You could just put out a red triangle model, and save yourself all the hassle of the 35 different reticles that Trijicon uses. 

Think about it...I reallly think it would be a popular item. 
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i think an ACOG style scope for aroun 300 would be a real hit also, fenian had a great idea. i think it would make the ar15 guys do cartwheels. i certainly wouldnt pay $1k for an ACOG.

 

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I can't wait!  I am passing up good deals right now on "Almost perfect for my applications" optics to wait for these.  I am thinking that overall the best Tactical will be the 4.5-18x42 model - I like to mount my optics as low as I can, so the 42mm obj will help - also the exit pupil should be better as well as eye relief, and it will be lighter. 

 

Now, here's a question - will it have the same (if not superior) glass that the current SS uses?

 

Same awesome MOA adjustments?

 

Most importantly - first focal plane or second focal plane for the reticle?

 

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Chris,

 

I'm impressed with the feed back on the SS scopes but have hesitated due to fixed power. I would prefer a variable in the 4x-16x range with the mil -dot for all around use. Bob

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Originally posted by greywolf greywolf wrote:

Now, here's a question - will it have the same (if not superior) glass that the current SS uses?

 

Same awesome MOA adjustments?

 

Most importantly - first focal plane or second focal plane for the reticle?

 

 

Will use same or superior glass with tons of MOA and 1st focal plane mil dot.......would you expect anything less?

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Originally posted by Chris Chris wrote:

Originally posted by greywolf greywolf wrote:

Now, here's a question - will it have the same (if not superior) glass that the current SS uses?

 

Same awesome MOA adjustments?

 

Most importantly - first focal plane or second focal plane for the reticle?

 

 

Will use same or superior glass with tons of MOA and 1st focal plane mil dot.......would you expect anything less?

 

Of course not!

 

Wow - first focal plane, mildot, superior glass, tons of moa - I can't begin to imagine what this will cost us all!  Better start saving now!

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You can rest assured that we will not mess with a good thing.  Prices will remain low.  We plan to use the same mark-up percentage as we do on the fixed power scopes.....which ain't much.  If the SS scopes had a gold ring on them the fixed powers would be selling for $800.+ and the new variables would easily be over $1k....but we are not the big L and don't have their monster overhead to account for (thank goodness).

 

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Excellent - I think I know what you are saying and will start to plan accordingly for the proper amount
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Sounds like the SS variables will be marketed at a very reasonable price, like the fixed power versions. I will definitely be looking to get my hands on at least one of those new Super Sniper scopes when they come out.   It is nice to see the savings passed on to the consumer.
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I can't wait to get one or two
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Here's the latest.

1.7-7x27
3.4-14x40
4.8-20x42
7-30x52

All 30mm. with 1st focal plane mil dot and the same turrets. The 4.8-20x42 will be the first to come to market and might be here by Spring '08.

Which model are YOU most interested in?

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Originally posted by Chris Chris wrote:

Here's the latest.

1.7-7x27
3.4-14x40
4.8-20x42
7-30x52

All 30mm. with 1st focal plane mil dot and the same turrets. The 4.8-20x42 will be the first to come to market and might be here by Halloween.

Which model are YOU most interested in?

 

Definately interested in the 4.8-20x42 the most - that is fricking IDEAL for most of my needs - love it love it love it!  I probably wouldn't need the 3.4-14, though I like the 1.7-7x27 - VERY neat idea, unique, and has many applications.  Good job.

 

Halloween - YES YES YES!

 

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If you make a 1.7-7x27, I'll be the first to send you a check.  I've been trying to decide what I want to put permanently onto my little Kel-Tec SU-16 and something like that will be perfect.  If you are going to make it within the next year or so I'll stay away from buying a different scope for it.

I'll also have some use for a 4.8-20x42 and/or 3.4-14x40 for a couple of projects that I  am considering, but the 1.7-7x27 is something I can put on a gun now.

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Originally posted by Chris Chris wrote:

Here's the latest.

1.7-7x27
3.4-14x40
4.8-20x42
7-30x52

All 30mm. with 1st focal plane mil dot and the same turrets. The 4.8-20x42 will be the first to come to market and might be here by Halloween.

Which model are YOU most interested in?

 

Chris - If you are going to let us mere mortals in Europe have them - 4,8-20 & 7-30

 

Failing which I feel a S&B5-25*56 requirement coming on.

 

Chris - is the MINIMUM PX distance still 10metres?



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4.8-20x42

7-30x52

 

I have the same interest in both! Which ever comes out first is the one I will buy first.

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Perhaps someone could fill me in on why a FFP reticle on a wide-range high magnification variable power scope?

 

My previous experience w/ said setup was a Springfield Armory scope a number of years ago... 4.5-14x Gen II I believe.  Normal logic would say to turn the magnification down for close in shots, but below 6x it was so thin as to be useless (all but disappeared into any kind of brush/background... maybe good for a range commando on a paper silhouette).  When the power was cranked up to max, the reticle was coarse enough to be highly annoying when it came to precision work... which is what most people want a high magnification effect for, last I checked.

 

Obviously, my encounter w/ a range-finding reticle in a variable power scope was less than satisfying... which leaves me wondering why everybody else is so damn excited about it.   I'd been really hoping for a second focal plane reticle of either a plain medium or fine duplex, or a 1/4 MOA dot on a fine crosshair.  I know I'd batted an email or two back and forth w/ Chris a long while back about a 1/4 minute dot option ala Leupold's Mk IV Ultra scopes for the SS16X42 and SS20X42 models, as I've talked to a number of competitive shooters who have no gripes w/ the glass or the repeatability, but have no use for the relatively coarse mil-dot reticle in the 16X and 20X models Any chance that is ever going to see the light of day?

 

TIA,

 

Monte



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The issue with 1st FP is to have a reticle that suits it.

 

I use a 1st FP HORUS and also a 1st FP Russian thing. With telemetric reticles - imo it's a must. The HORUS is a H2 fine lined version and I'll agree it's pretty useless at less than 8 mag - but would take more than 16 which is the max the scope will zoom to. The russian scope is a 6-24 - and the MILDOTs are in fact (about 1MOA) RINGS (i.e see through) not opaque DOTS - at 6 mag they are a bit fine - but at 8 upwards perfectly visable even in poorish light without obliterating the target at HIGH mag. The scope is let down a bit by the centre mark which is a tipical russian inverted chevron - but OK - I tend to sight in using the RING above and so it's like having an optical DIOPTER (isu match sort of ) image.

 

The main advantage is I forget about target/reticle reference changes due to zooming. 2nd FP can (not necesarily WILL) suffer from shifts in reticle/target centering as you know too with zooming. 

 

I almost always end up calibrating and taping fixed my 2nd FP stuff to one magnification so that all relationships are stable (esp "mildots"). I'm a sight-in-and-never-touch-a-turret-again sort of guy too. I dont adjust for range or windage unless it's really necesary. So I like telemetric (esp. multiple reference point) reticles.

 

Some of the top end scopes use tapered lines so that the lines match the magnification - Recently designed a reticle which I hope will soon arrive in a custom scope. It has a design that allows use at both ends of the zoom range - without affecting either. At least that's the theory. Take a look at the HORUS H45 reticle too.

 

I guess it all comes down to what you feel most comforatble with. I've tried both (still have both) but prefer 1stFP. 



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4.8-20x42

 

7-30x52

 

Either or sounds pretty good to me.  Just let me know.

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I guess my way of looking at it is that my first and foremost use of a scope like this would be as a *target* scope... on the range, maybe at worst on the prairie dog fields.  In either case... ranging reticles, especially mil-dot are not terribly useful.  Just personally feel that SFP would have been better, 'calibrated' at say 10X for those who actually believe they are going to really use the mil-dots for ranging on a regular basis (in my experience, a lot of people talk about it, but very few do, given the choice of a laser rangefinder) but keep the reticle more useful / less annoying for the rest of us at higher magnification.  Doesn't sound like thats the direction it's going, and it doesn't sound like SWFA has any interest in offering optional reticles for the 16X or 20X models... guess I need to start finding a useful variable power scope for long range F-Class.  Time to start saving now 

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