| Astro8 wrote:|
OK. I really should not open this can of beans, but what the hell. I read Koshkin's post and he stated both of the new SWFA SS scopes are "Kick Ass". I think the 3-9x42mm FFP is very competitive at $600. I have seen them on SWFA/ebay with a $160 of free accessories.
But I am confused. I address Mr Koshkin to provide an answer. The first time I read about the SS10x42HD it was in a post from SWFA. It was suppose to compare to a scope that retails for $1600. They are other Optics Forums that have discussed this scope. It was established early on that this is a Bushnell design. The SS10x42HD now has HD stand for High Definition. One can see that it is the tube and turrents from the Variable SS. So what does the extra $200 buy? No lighted reticle, no GEN II Mildot, No parallax knob and only 20 mils of adjustment.. It has the same basic optics as the Variable SS. Does not sound so "Kick Ass" to me. Some people thought this scope would compare to Bushnell's Elite 6500 series. Not so.
Have you seen the 10x42HD?
Which exact Bushnell design is it?
What other forums are you referring to? and what insight do those forums have into the design and origination of 10x42HD scope? (forgive my sarcasm, but I think those "other optics forums" you are referring to were pretty low on reliable information which was freely substituted with fertile imagination)
I am not sure what HD stands for. I think originally it was supposed to stand for "Heavy Duty". However, the glass is also very nicely upgraded on this one, and the glass is, I think, better than on the 3-9x42 S.S. How much better is a tough call, since the magnifications are not exactly the same.
The knobs are of the same general design as on the 3-9x42 S.S.; however, they are different (a bit beefier).
It seems a bit overbuilt in some other areas as well (the tube looks thicker, for example).
How exactly is it the same as the variable S.S. when the eyepieces are of different length. Tube length is a bit different and, on top of everything else, the 3-9x42 S.S. is slightly lighter than the 10x42HD, when variable scopes typically require more complicated internal construction?
As far as the parallax adjustment goes, it is in the rear of the scope where the magnification ring would have been otherwise. Whether that is convenient to you or not is a matter of personal choice. Personally, I like it, plus it is a bit more lefty-friendly than side-focus, so when I practice shooting off of the weak side, it is more convenient.
10x42HD's main competitor is the much more expensive Leupold Mark 4 10x40. I will take the 10x42HD over the 10x40 Mark 4 any day of the week, and twice on weekends.
Eye relief is longer and more flexible (on the flip side, S.S. does have slightly narrower field of view).
Tracking is spot on and more repeatable (I've had problems with the Mark 4).
Parallx adjustment does not exhibit any hysteresis (unlike Mark 4).
0.1mrad clicks vs MOA-based clicks on the Mark 4.
Glass is better than Mark 4 (noticeably so).
Price is 40% lower than Mark 4.
Adjustment range is around 30mrads, I think, which is quite a bit more than Mark 4.
As far as the reticle selection goes, these scopes were built for a military contract, with a limited number going for retail sales. I suspect the reticle was chosen by the military.
Gen 2 MilDot is a patented design owned by Premier Reticles, so SWFA could, obviously, not use it. Personally, I prefer reticles with hashmarks to dots, but I am quite use to MilDot reticle, so I do not mind it.
What other 10x scopes do you know of that offer more for the money than the 10x42HD (or the original 10x42 S.S. for that matter)?
IOR used to offer a pretty decent 10x42 with steel tube, but I have not seen it for a while. They currently have a 10x56, but that is a pretty different configuration, besides IOR historically had some problems with their 56mm scopes. If it proves durable, I might pick one up for lower light.
S&B makes a very nice PMII 10x42. For $1800.
What else is out there that competes with 10x42HD?
There are a few of cheaper scopes that try to compete with the original 10x42 S.S. (typically not very well): Millet 10x50, Weaver GS 10x40 and Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40.
Generally speaking, you will see that most contemporary LOW-built scopes have outwardly similar knob designs. However, that does not mean that these are all the same knobs. They vary considerably in terms of size and internal construction details.