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I bought into the hype on these scopes and well....before I knew it I had several (1-4x24, 10x42, 5-20x50). Absolutely no documentation came with them, the don't seem to focally adjust and I haven't had the chance to properly set up and check how well they track at the range yet. The glass is okay(?), can anybody point me in some direction on how these things work i.e., documentation? Thanks in advance....

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This seems to me a CS issue with SWFA b/c as you stated no documentation came with the scopes.  Rules of the forum state that CS issues must be dealt directly with SWFA.
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Gotcha....was hoping to find a link to a pdf on SWFA website but didn't find one. Probably should talk to them first.
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Yes, and just to reassure you SWFA's CS is on top of their game.  Ordered a scope with them yesterday and they held their end of the bargain on the shipping dead line.  They promised to ship it the same day and they did.  All you gotta do is give 'em a call.
I know it's upsetting and stressful not getting the important documentation with the product, but mistakes happen.  I am 110% sure they will assist you and make sure you are satisfied.  These are not just words trust me.
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http://www.opticstalk.com/swfa-ss-reticle-substensions_topic32312.html

check this out, it has all SS model reticle subtensions.
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What do you mean by they won't "focally adjust?" 
I have two out of the 3 you have and don't have any problems. 

As stated, you really should take it up with SWFA's customer service dept., but something seems a little wonky here.  
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You would think we were holding a Marlin Turnament with the number of trollers the last few weeks.
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Not being a troll my friend.....I did a lot of reading here and on the web, figured a budget cause I needed more than one piece of glass, got in on the facebook likes deal and picked up the 10x42, 1-6x24 and 5-20x50. (I had already bought a 1-4x24 w/bobro mount but the bobro took a long time on back order). Now I adjust what I would assume is the diopter (next to the lock ring) and no matter how much I seem to run in or out I'm not seeing a discernible change with the image or reticle clarity ? Plus, once again, there is no documentation with ANY of these units. I will contact customer service and see what they have to say. Thank you
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Originally posted by jetfuel4 jetfuel4 wrote:

Not being a troll my friend.....I did a lot of reading here and on the web, figured a budget cause I needed more than one piece of glass, got in on the facebook likes deal and picked up the 10x42, 1-6x24 and 5-20x50. (I had already bought a 1-4x24 w/bobro mount but the bobro took a long time on back order). Now I adjust what I would assume is the diopter (next to the lock ring) and no matter how much I seem to run in or out I'm not seeing a discernible change with the image or reticle clarity ? Plus, once again, there is no documentation with ANY of these units. I will contact customer service and see what they have to say. Thank you


None of the models adjust properly?  or it's just one?
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Not much on any of them that I can tell.
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This is strange that none of the scopes work. Light It Up 
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Originally posted by jetfuel4 jetfuel4 wrote:


Now I adjust what I would assume is the diopter (next to the lock ring) and no matter how much I seem to run in or out I'm not seeing a discernible change with the image or reticle clarity ?


When you say no change in image or reticle clarity when you adjust the diopter. The diopter is just used to adjust the reticle and not to focus the image.

To focus the reticle set the scope on infinity if it has an adjustable parallax and look at the sky. Adjust the diopter so the reticle appears crisp. Now look away and then back at the reticle and readjust. Your eye will adjust the longer you look at it so that is why you look away and then back again. Repeat until the reticle is crisp when you first look at it.

On your 10x and 5-20 they both have a parallax adjustment.

Here is a good link on parallax.

http://www.opticstalk.com/what-exactly-is-parallax-anyway_topic5026.html

If I am misunderstanding you sorry about that.
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You are welcome. Let us know how it works out for you.
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The operation of the controls on these scopes is not very different from other scopes out there.  

The eyepiece focus is only used to make the reticle as sharp as possible.  On the 1-4x24 and 5-20x50, you loosen the lock ring and rotate the whole eyepiece to get it adjusted.  Then tighten the lock ring and never mess with it again.

If you bough the classic 10x42, eyepiece focus is a ring on the back of the eyepiece.  If it is a 10x42HD, eyepiece focusing is the same as on the 1-4x24.

On the 10x42 there is also rear parallax adjustment.  That is the ring where normally the magnification ring would be.  That serves to dial out the parallax and focus the image (make sure you first use the eyepiece focus to get the reticle sharp before you mess with this one).

On the 5-20x50, the side focus knob serves the same function of optimizing parallax error and image.

On the 1-4x24 there is no means of adjusting parallax (like on virtually all low magnification scopes).

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Thank you for the pointers. I have the 10x42HD and will be taking all of them to the range today. I'm also going to re-zero and check how well they track. I appreciate the time everyone has taken to help me.
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UPDATE:
 
Talked to SWFA and they are aware of the documentation issue and are currently working on a downloadable solution soon.
 
Dragged everything to the range and was very pleased with both zeroing of my rifles and the tracking capabilities of the scopes. Everything worked very well out to 300yds, but the focus and clarity is still something I'm concerned with.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

The operation of the controls on these scopes is not very different from other scopes out there.  

The eyepiece focus is only used to make the reticle as sharp as possible.  On the 1-4x24 and 5-20x50, you loosen the lock ring and rotate the whole eyepiece to get it adjusted.  Then tighten the lock ring and never mess with it again.

If you bough the classic 10x42, eyepiece focus is a ring on the back of the eyepiece.  If it is a 10x42HD, eyepiece focusing is the same as on the 1-4x24.

On the 10x42 there is also rear parallax adjustment.  That is the ring where normally the magnification ring would be.  That serves to dial out the parallax and focus the image (make sure you first use the eyepiece focus to get the reticle sharp before you mess with this one).

On the 5-20x50, the side focus knob serves the same function of optimizing parallax error and image.

On the 1-4x24 there is no means of adjusting parallax (like on virtually all low magnification scopes).

ILya
 
This should help illustrate what Ilya is explaining.
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It is a very fine pitched thread, not a fast focus like most people are used to. Because of this it will gradually change. If you are consistently looking through it while changing it slowly, your eyes will adapt to and correct it. You have to adjust a little bit give your eyes a break and then look through it again. Repeat this process until it is clear as soon as you are behind it. Prolong periods of time behind the optic will just cause eye strain and hurt more than help.
 
Note: For reticle clarity this is best done with the Parallax turned to infinity and looking into the sky in the distance.
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That would explain why I'm not seeing much of a focus shift. I have a non-timed precision shooting course coming up and hopefully I can get the bugs worked out before I have to do the timed course.
Thank you.
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Been pretty busy of late....the 1-4x24 works well on my AR platform short to medium range. The other 2 just don't seem to pan out. Clarity isn't great, reticle acquisition sometimes is non-existent on the variable power....these are my first FFP scopes. I've spent hours at the range with them, they track well and consistently group but only at what I would call point blank range (out to 200yds). After that they are pretty much useless....bummer
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Originally posted by jetfuel4 jetfuel4 wrote:

Been pretty busy of late....the 1-4x24 works well on my AR platform short to medium range. The other 2 just don't seem to pan out. Clarity isn't great, reticle acquisition sometimes is non-existent on the variable power....these are my first FFP scopes. I've spent hours at the range with them, they track well and consistently group but only at what I would call point blank range (out to 200yds). After that they are pretty much useless....bummer
The scopes track and group, but only out to 200 yards. Is that what you are saying? If so that doesn't add up to me. If a scope tracks it tracks, regardless of the yardage. It either tracks or it doesn't. If the scope tracks out to 200 and then your groups start to open up nothing against you but that isn't the scope. Please explain what it does past 200 that is different from what it does under 200 yards. As far as the glass goes I have not heard anyone having this same issue with the 10x42HD or the 5-20. Out of curiosity what guns are they mounted on and with what mounts?
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My 5-20 has tracked all the way out to a mile and back. And what Chris just said is true, if it tracks at 200, it will track at any range. If the scopes will group at 200, or at any range, how can reticle-acquisition be non-existent? Can there be a problem with the scopes? Yes...Anything can break, trust me! But you are not describing the situation well.  
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Originally posted by jetfuel4 jetfuel4 wrote:

Been pretty busy of late....the 1-4x24 works well on my AR platform short to medium range. The other 2 just don't seem to pan out. Clarity isn't great, reticle acquisition sometimes is non-existent on the variable power....these are my first FFP scopes. I've spent hours at the range with them, they track well and consistently group but only at what I would call point blank range (out to 200yds). After that they are pretty much useless....bummer


In an earlier post you said they worked well to 300yds. But now 200yds? What is different?

There are many very knowledgeable individuals here who would be very happy to help you. We need details, we are not physic and can not read your mind. 

What were you shooting before you purchased the SS scopes and what size groups at what ranges?

Are you shooting the same rifles and ammo?

What size groups are you getting now and what is the wind like?

And when you say clarity isn't great, what are the weather conditions?
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Originally posted by jetfuel4 jetfuel4 wrote:

Been pretty busy of late....the 1-4x24 works well on my AR platform short to medium range. The other 2 just don't seem to pan out. Clarity isn't great, reticle acquisition sometimes is non-existent on the variable power....these are my first FFP scopes. I've spent hours at the range with them, they track well and consistently group but only at what I would call point blank range (out to 200yds). After that they are pretty much useless....bummer

That is not making much sense.

Can you describe how you set the scope up in term of focus?  The exact sequence of steps would help.

ILya
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