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I have about a $300 budget for a scope to put on a 6mm AI I am building off a Savage 110 action.  How would the mil-dot crosshair be for silhouette?  I used a BDC reticle for smallbore once, and it wasn't distracting, and the dots were dead on.  The gun I am building will be used for mostly silhouette, some target shooting and prairie dogs.  Would a 16x or 20x be better for all around use?  I have used 20x+ in smallbore, but have yet to try highpower.
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if most of your shots are under 400-500 yards - 10x should be just fine.

 

it'll give you a wider field of view and more light to the eye. both of which are good things.

 

good luck.  SS is a fine scope for the money.

 

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For silhouette you shoot out to 550 yards, plus I plan on shooting further than that on varmints and targets.  How much of a brightness difference is there between 16x and 20x?  Silhouettes are painted white, so brightness isn't a issue with that, but on varmints it could be.

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well -

 

10x40 = 4mm exit pupil

 

16x40 = 2.5mm exit pupil

 

20x40 = 2mm exit pupil

 

exit pupil is how much light hits your eye - and the maximum (typically) that a human can 'digest' is 7mm.

 

so the 10 power is twice as bright as 20 power.

 

i hope this helps.

 

what kind of critters are you shooting outside of 550 yards? i hope they are HUGE.

 

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and 10x should be fine out to 550 and beyond.

 

many folks shoot 10x out to 1000 or so. w/ the proper rails/mounts.

 

10x @ 1000 yrds looks like 100yrds w/ the naked eye.

 

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The silhouettes are roughly life size, and the shots get longer with each animal.  First is chickens, then pigs (pretty small), turkeys (the toughest), and rams (easiest to me if the wind isn't bad).  Rams are out there at 550.  I would like to shoot groundhogs and prairie dogs past this with a rest.  Many silhouette shooters shoot 25x or 30x scopes, some 32x, which is why Leupold makes silhouette scopes. (For a hefty fee!)
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Here's a view of what it looks like to the shooter:





Which shows why you want a powerful scope. With a good stance you are actually much more steady than you would think.  I once shot a 31/40 in smallbore, my personal best.




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that's just neat - i wish we had something like that around here.

 

still, i think the 10x would get you by and make you a better shooter. not saying you are bad now.
it would cut down substantially on mirage effect.

 

10x should be just fine for 'ram' size targets out past 550.

 

but variable magnification can have inherent problems out to long distances.

 

if you need 20+ power - then get it and make sure the focus is dead on when you shoot.

 

leupold does have some great reticles.  But they are expensive for what you get.

 

good luck.

 

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  Normally I would agree with jonbravado's advice to get a 10x instead of a 16x or 20x, but not for what you are doing.

You aren't hunting, so you really don't need a real wide field of view. ( Prairie dog shooting is essentially target shooting.)

You aren't shooting anything at twilight, so brightness isn't really a factor. Mirage will cause a little trouble on occasion, but

not too much on the steel critters most of the time. You say the serious competitors use scopes around 25x plus, so

 there must be a reason they do. Don't reinvent the wheel. You definitly need solid, repeatable wind and elevation adjustments,and

the Super Snipers are noted for that. I would get the 20x.

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What a fantastic shooting range!
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Very nice pic, tykemp!

 

 

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where is this range? It's great!
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I used to shoot smallbore silhouette (.22 rimfire).  Our ranges were 40m, 60m 77m and 100m.  Competitive shooteres were using 25x to 40x scopes on custom guns (generally built on an Anshultz action and Eley redbox was all serious shooters shot).  

 

At 40m, a chicken fills up the scope at 40x!!!  However, we were aiming for a particular point on the target.  I was shooting back in the late 80's and all the serious shooters were buying 6.5x20 Leupolds and sending them to Dick Thomas (Premier Reticles) for magnification change (13x to 40x) and reticle change although there were several 24x and 36x Leupolds.  Most shooters liked a one minute dot reticle, but there was quite a bit of variation from crosshair to 2 minute dots. Leupolds reigned b/c of their magnification, target turrents and most importantly, repeatability.  The best shooters were knocking down 36 to 38 animals in good conditions in the heavy rifle class and 34 to 36 w/ the light rifle although there was the occasional perfect score w/ both.

 

That said, I would go for the highest magnification you can afford on a good scope w/ target knobs .... but that's just me.

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