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A buddy and myself both bought SS scopes from SWFA at least 5 years ago.  Maybe even a little longer than that.  They have been great optics.  But recently we have decided to shoot in an F-class league that shoots up to 600yrds.  The range we typically shoot at only is good up to 200yrds.  So, we have been working up hand loads and guesitmating that we need to shoot about 16 high at 100 yrds to hit the paper at 600yrds to begin the league.  Well, my friend cranks in 16 MOA and hits roughly 21 inches high.  So, he is confused.  He goes to the range to do some experimentation and this is the body of the email he sends to me.
 
"OK, I went and did this on Saturday morning. I took shots at all six dots, first assuming the scope had .25 MOA clicks, and then assuming the scope had .33 MOA clicks.  The Super Sniper absolutely positively has 1/3 MOA adjustments for elevation.
 
When dialing point of aim changes for 100 and 200 yds you would never notice. The difference  between a .33" and .25" is only .08" So if you are making adjustments of say even 8 clicks at 100 yds you would only be off by .64" If you are makking one or two click adjustments you will never ever know.
 
Even if you are zeroed at say 300 yds and want to make a .5 MOA change the two clicks difference between .25 MOA clicks and .33 MOA clicks only translates to .48"  at that 300 yds.
 
BUT NOW take that .08 difference across the 60 clicks the ballistics program told me I would need to reach 600 yds and you get a 4.8" difference at 100yds. That as you know will translate to 28.8" at 600 yds!    If I had just trusted he scope I would have been shooting 30" high the first night at 600 yds. Well, actually if what the guy told you about or orientation night he would have noticed something wrong when at 100 yds I am shooting 20+ inches high instead of the 15-16
 
To verify I took the one inch grid pattern to the 50 yd line to do the box test. It only takes me six clicks to cross 1 inch.  If it were a .25 MOA adjustment it should have taken 8    .33 MOA divided by 2 = .165    Now take the .165 x 6 and you get 1.0"
 
Here is the real kicker......the windage appears to be .25 MOA adjustments."
 
I hope that makes sense.  My SS seems to track just fine with 1/4" clicks.  The only diffenece between his SS and mine is that he has the side focus paralax adjustment.  Did SS's ever have 1/3" elevation clicks?  He doesn't mind and still plans on using it, but it seems odd.  We are just curious if anyone else has experienced this or if some SS have 1/3" click values.
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sounds like a one of a kind scope. 
 Or real inconsistant head position without properly adjusting reticle forcus AND parallax in the correct order.
 
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Originally posted by Mike McDonald Mike McDonald wrote:

sounds like a one of a kind scope. 
 Or real inconsistant head position without properly adjusting reticle forcus AND parallax in the correct order.
 
 Perhaps calibrated in 1/10 Milliradian increments?
That is very close to one-third of an inch at 100 yards...
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by Mike McDonald Mike McDonald wrote:

sounds like a one of a kind scope. 
 Or real inconsistant head position without properly adjusting reticle forcus AND parallax in the correct order.
 
 Perhaps calibrated in 1/10 Milliradian increments?
That is very close to one-third of an inch at 100 yards...
 Edited to add: an easy way to find out would be to shoot a series of groups on a large target, moving the elevation up ten clicks at a time, but always using the same point of aim.  You should then see all your groups matching the Mil-dots in the reticle.
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Ronk,
 
Since the scope is 1/3" per click, wouldn't you need 11 clicks to move the center of the group from cross hairs to center of the next mil-dot?  Isn't a milradian just a hair over 3.6" at 100yrds?
 
Maybe someone from SWFA could chime in and confirm if Super Snipers ever had 1/3"click values assuming this scope is 5-6years old.
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A mil is exactly 3.6 inches @100.  Where an MOA is 3.438 iches @ 100
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

A mil is exactly 3.6 inches @100.  Where an MOA is 3.438 iches @ 100
 
 That is incorrect, Jason.
 A Minute-of-Angle (MOA) subtends 1.04719 inches @ 100 yards.
Almost exactly one inch.
 
 
 


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how about 1 mil equals 3.438 moa which equals 3.55586 inches which THEN equals 1 mil.
 
THERE!  We've all said the same thing and the guys's scope still don't work right. Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing
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Originally posted by minnjarhead minnjarhead wrote:

Ronk,
 
Since the scope is 1/3" per click, wouldn't you need 11 clicks to move the center of the group from cross hairs to center of the next mil-dot?  Isn't a milradian just a hair over 3.6" at 100yrds?
 
Maybe someone from SWFA could chime in and confirm if Super Snipers ever had 1/3"click values assuming this scope is 5-6years old.
 
 All I was trying to say is that it would be very difficult to discern the difference between a scope that was set up in 1/3 minute clicks and one that was set up in 1/10 mil clicks, just by shooting it and measuring group movement. 
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Originally posted by Mike McDonald Mike McDonald wrote:

how about 1 mil equals 3.438 moa which equals 3.55586 inches which THEN equals 1 mil.
 
THERE!  We've all said the same thing and the guys's scope still don't work right. Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing
 
  Now Mike, we still don't know how his scope was designed to work. For all we know, it may be set up in arshins or farthings or cubits or something!  
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RONK that's a tremendously good point.  I had not remotely concidered cubits.Excellent

 
Oh Gawd!  What if it's actually angstroms??      Dale???
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sumarian--sexagesimal -- 60 units of one kind are writtens as 1 of the next higher order--exactly same principle as found in Ptolemy's table of chords. difference being sumarians haven't discovered zero when scope was made-- so a rounding effect takes place at each click value.
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Dale,
Thanks.  I was almost certain that was the case but thought it best to check.
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

sumarian--sexagesimal -- 60 units of one kind are writtens as 1 of the next higher order--exactly same principle as found in Ptolemy's table of chords. difference being sumarians haven't discovered zero when scope was made-- so a rounding effect takes place at each click value.
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

sumarian--sexagesimal -- 60 units of one kind are writtens as 1 of the next higher order--exactly same principle as found in Ptolemy's table of chords. difference being sumarians haven't discovered zero when scope was made-- so a rounding effect takes place at each click value.
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pull the turret, clean out any dirt, relube and replace turret. Try again!!!
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elevation is 1/4 MOA not 1/3rd.
 
 
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