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Thunbs%20UpNow this is just a wish list idea but who else out there would like to have a Super Sniper in a 6x42 version with a 7mm exit eye pupil.  I think it would be awesome. The other 6x42 scopes out there are like twice the price of Super Snipers and a 6x is a very useful scope.  Oh well if we  ever get a variable Super Sniper that will most likely cover the need but I have not heard much about that variable lately, my fingers are still crossed though.Thunbs%20Up
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sign me up - i definitely would go for one of those.
 
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in FACT - i would pre-order one if that would help w/ production.
 
Chris? Brady? Want prepaid investors? Wink
 
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Thumbs up for the 6x Excellent SS
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I'll take at least one, and pre-pay it!
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The 6x Super Sniper has been on Ufriends wish list for some time, huh Wes? Sharp%20Shooter
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Shouldn't be hard: take the 10X magnifying lens, make it 40% smaller, or thinner, or something, BAM, 6X; see, engineering is easy!
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How many thousand scopes would you guys buy?  I think that, is what may be holding Chris back...
 
I'd like the choice between a mil-dot and a 4a.  A wide field of view and a big sweet spot on the ocular.  Think something for a 527 cz, inch tube and a 6x40 would work well.
 
The other wish I have is for a good 4x rimfire.  I think there is a better market for one of those.
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Yes I would like a Super Sniper 6x42 scope, but if I were SWFA, I probably would not make one. 

Current Super Sniper 10x42 is just about the only truly robust and well supported 10x scope out there for under $500 bucks (well there is Millett TRS-2, but I havn't really played with it much, but I think Super Sniper is better).  The next step up is either a $650 Burris or an $800 IOR.  There really isn't anything else for less money out there.  There is a clear business case here since Super Sniper is practically the only game in town.  Elite 3200 10x40 is a decent little scope, but not in Super Sniper's league.

Now, let's look at 6x42 scopes. On the high end, there is the IOR 6x42 Tactical which has recently gone in price, but is still cheaper than 10x42 IOR.  There is also  >$1000 S&B 6x42.  I have also seen a Docter 6x42 around, but never played with it.

There there is the gazillion of well made and comparably priced 6x42 hunting scopes that Super Sniper would end up competing with: Leupold FX-III, Meopta Artemis 2000 (availabel with a rangefinding reticle), Sightron S2 Big Sky, Burris FFII, and I think there other cheaper ones too.

What is the business case for a 6x42 Super Sniper?  Would I buy one? Yes.  Five other people would.  Maybe six if stars align right, but that is about it.

Variable Super Snipers totally make sense. Fixed 6x42, not so much.

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Sob Sob Whatever yes we do need the variable SS and it would do nicely in place of a 6x but I have not heard anything about it ariving anytime soon so I'm guessing that there are issues preventing it - you know little things like not having a half ton of gold in the back room to bank roll the venture - its got to be expensive to set up.
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Schmidt & Bender makes a 1.5-6x42mm & 6x42mm Sniper scope.  But neither model is available in the USA. Only the hunting version of the 6x42mm & 1.5-6x42mm available here.  If you really wanted one and had the $$$, you could order one from a dealer in the United Kingdom....but, NO USA warranty

 

 
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Price: £733.62 ( £862.00 Inc. VAT)
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I have a 6x42 Leupold Tactical and it is an excellent scope for the money. The M8-6x42mm Adj. Obj. Target scope looks to be very similar.
I need another gun to put a 10X SS on, though.
A 6x42 would be a great addition to the SS line up. It would definitely be solid, good looking and being fixed would have good optics at a reasonable price.
 


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I just realized that the leupold custom shop will put M1 knobs or target knobs on almost any of their scopes special order. While I may not be able to get a 6x42 tactical Super Sniper I'm going to have to explore what I might be able to put M1 knobs on, or just6 break down and buy the IOR 6x42 which is less of a bargain now than it was a few months ago.  A lot of the imported stuff has really taken a jump with the dollar turning to worthless paper. 
 
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The jump in the price of IOR scopes this year has little to do with the value of the dollar.  Since Romania is now a part of the European Union it lost the 17% brak it was getting from the US customs, hence the increase.

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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I have a 6x42 Leupold Tactical and it is an excellent scope for the money. The M8-6x42mm Adj. Obj. Target scope looks to be very similar.
I need another gun to put a 10X SS on, though.
A 6x42 would be a great addition to the SS line up. It would definitely be solid, good looking and being fixed would have good optics at a reasonable price.
 
 
I love that rifle/scope set up, Doug. Just looks so right!! Wink 
Death in black!!! Sharp%20Shooter 
 
What reticle in the Loopie?
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Thanks, Mark. It has the standard Duplex.

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I figured out that for about $120. more you can put the M1 knobs onto several interesting scopes like a 1.5-5X20 VX III german#4 reticle with M1 knobs $579.98 (it doesnt show the illuminated version)  or a FXIII  6x42 Wide Duplex with M1 knobs $509.97 or an FXIII 12x40  adj objective Long Range Duplex with M1 knobs $689.97  Now think of them with Kenton Knobs on them - How useful would that be. (prices are Leupold Retail - I'm sure SWFA could get these if we wanted to order some.  What would be cool for an AR-15 -- the VX III 1.5-5x20 with illuminated #4 reticle and tactical knobs --  now were talking.
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Tahqua how could you cut the horns off that deer with that photo - was it a doe?
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I figured out that for about $120. more you can put the M1 knobs onto several interesting scopes like a 1.5-5X20 VX III german#4 reticle with M1 knobs $579.98 (it doesnt show the illuminated version)  or a FXIII  6x42 Wide Duplex with M1 knobs $509.97 or an FXIII 12x40  adj objective Long Range Duplex with M1 knobs $689.97  Now think of them with Kenton Knobs on them - How useful would that be. (prices are Leupold Retail - I'm sure SWFA could get these if we wanted to order some.  What would be cool for an AR-15 -- the VX III 1.5-5x20 with illuminated #4 reticle and tactical knobs --  now were talking.


With all these options you start getting into the price ranges where there are other alternatives, such as IOR and Meopta 6x42, IOR 1.1-4x26, Meopta 1-4x22 K-Dot, Trijicon 1,25-4x24.

There are also going to be some new entries into the low range variable market reasonably soon, such as 1-6.5x Elite 6500.

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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Tahqua how could you cut the horns off that deer with that photo - was it a doe?
 
I usually take my pictures there because it is in the study where my safe is.
 
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What would be better than all these requests for lower power SS or variable power SS would be a reticle option instead. Instead of the mildot, an S-MOA reticle like that on the USO. I believe there would be demand for that. That is a far better system than milirad in my opinion. Math is easier. No need for scratch paper or calculator or too much brain power. 5-8 seconds is all that is needed to mentally compute range in yards and be within 10 yards at most out to as far as you like. I find it vastly easier than having to make the mil to moa conversion. That to me is an unnecessary extra step. It also makes hold over shots vastly easier. You don't have to convert the inches of drop to mils and then remember the hold over points for a given range. All you have to remember is the drop itself. 13" of drop at 300? Go down to the 13th hash mark. DONE! S-MOA reticles are best when each line represents 2" on 10x, 1" on 16x or 20x. It is easier to get a more precise measurement between 2" or 1" marks than it is between mils that are 3.6" apart. It's not difficult to divide a mil into 1/3 for hold over shots...but having the MOA mark there already is even better.

 It's hard to discuss this with most people because too many people are stuck in the "if it were better, why didn't the military use it then" mode. Or "just learn to do math faster" or "snipers do it all the time without a problem" ...which is not the point. The point is which is faster. Military doesn't always do or use the best options. A lot of times an inferior method takes hold because at one time it was the only method. It becomes a standard and then innovation or progress is difficult.

A reticle that matches the turrets on the SS would be the ticket. Being that it is an etched reticle already, it will work. No need to re-engineer the scope either.

I believe there is demand for this reticle style. I believe the mildot system maintains the popularity because shooters don't really have an affordible choice in a ranging reticule other than mildot. As of right now, the lowest cost brand new scope of quality with an S-MOA reticle that I know of ~$1075 starting. A $300-$400 SS with S-MOA (shooter's moa is 1" instead of 1.047") reticle would clean house.

The other option would be to offer mil-clicks instead to match the mildot and work in meters/cm. Those are usually .1 mil clicks. The reticle option would seem much easier to implement than to change the erector.

Again, if the case were made to consumers, rather than just accepting the mildot system with moa knobs, I believe a lot more people would definitely go for an MOA reticle. I think a lot of people don't know what they're missing.



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Dang Doug, Did you leave any out there? 

I agree with Ilya on this one.  I wish they had a variable but until it comes out the 10X is what we've got.
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Originally posted by Black Squirrel Black Squirrel wrote:


What would be better than all these requests for lower power SS or variable power SS would be a reticle option instead. Instead of the mildot, an S-MOA reticle like that on the USO. I believe there would be demand for that. That is a far better system than milirad in my opinion. Math is easier. No need for scratch paper or calculator or too much brain power. 5-8 seconds is all that is needed to mentally compute range in yards and be within 10 yards at most out to as far as you like. I find it vastly easier than having to make the mil to moa conversion. That to me is an unnecessary extra step. It also makes hold over shots vastly easier. You don't have to convert the inches of drop to mils and then remember the hold over points for a given range. All you have to remember is the drop itself. 13" of drop at 300? Go down to the 13th hash mark. DONE! S-MOA reticles are best when each line represents 2" on 10x, 1" on 16x or 20x. It is easier to get a more precise measurement between 2" or 1" marks than it is between mils that are 3.6" apart. It's not difficult to divide a mil into 1/3 for hold over shots...but having the MOA mark there already is even better.

 It's hard to discuss this with most people because too many people are stuck in the "if it were better, why didn't the military use it then" mode. Or "just learn to do math faster" or "snipers do it all the time without a problem" ...which is not the point. The point is which is faster. Military doesn't always do or use the best options. A lot of times an inferior method takes hold because at one time it was the only method. It becomes a standard and then innovation or progress is difficult.

A reticle that matches the turrets on the SS would be the ticket. Being that it is an etched reticle already, it will work. No need to re-engineer the scope either.

I believe there is demand for this reticle style. I believe the mildot system maintains the popularity because shooters don't really have an affordible choice in a ranging reticule other than mildot. As of right now, the lowest cost brand new scope of quality with an S-MOA reticle that I know of ~$1075 starting. A $300-$400 SS with S-MOA (shooter's moa is 1" instead of 1.047") reticle would clean house.

The other option would be to offer mil-clicks instead to match the mildot and work in meters/cm. Those are usually .1 mil clicks. The reticle option would seem much easier to implement than to change the erector.

Again, if the case were made to consumers, rather than just accepting the mildot system with moa knobs, I believe a lot more people would definitely go for an MOA reticle. I think a lot of people don't know what they're missing.





I certainly agree that mil-based clicks would be a good idea.

As for the MOA-based reticle, well, that is arguable.  I much prefer the metric system and when I use the mildot, I never convert anything to inches.  It just works better for me that way.

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