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Hello everyone! I'm asking for help, can't decide what scope to buy.

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PCP Rifle, 0,22 cal. 

What do I want:

- Mil-dot reticle, probably with half mils

-Mil-dot must be correct, so I can calculate distance

- 30mm monotube

- Bright and clean picture

- Parallax from 10-20 meters

- >42 mm front lens

- Tactical turrets are welcome

Usage:

- Hunting (up to 100 yards)

- Paper targets (rarely, but I will definitely shoot 'em too)

- Plinking

So, the biggest problem I faced is magnification. 10x is fine for hunting, but not enough for paper targets. 16x or even more suits paper targets well (I'm thinking about trying myself at BR50 or HFT), but for hunting, I'll have smaller field of view. The question seem to be easy - buy scope with not fixed magnification (like 4-16x one or 6-20x) - but I've heard that they are not that bright.

As for now, I'm choosing between SWFA SS 16x42 and Hawke Sidewinder Tactical 6,5-20x42. Any others thoughts and ideas are welcome.

Budged 450-500 $

Thanks in advance, and excuse me for my bad english. Smile

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Can't find a button to edit post, my bad.

Forgot to add what i don't want:

- Chinese scopes and chinese replicas featuring: zos, leapers, vector optics, tasco, bsa etc. Had plenty experience with them, I'm not that rich to buy tons of cheap scopes. Wink

Brands, produced in China under control are ok.

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Welcome to the OT sgt Poulton.
 
You need at least 50 post before you can edit!
 
Might want to look at a Weaver T 36 with AO.....
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Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

Welcome to the OT sgt Poulton.
 
You need at least 50 post before you can edit!
 
Might want to look at a Weaver T 36 with AO.....

Hello, stickbow46 ! Thanks for your reply, checked this Weaver, it seem to be good for BR50, but for FT/HFT or hunting i need some range finding reticle, also magnification is way too big for hunting. I think I wasn't that clear, main mission of the scope is hunting. But I may also use it for BR or HFT (really seldom).

Maximum magnification should be x20 for scope with adjustable magnification, and 16x for fixed one.

So mil-dot is highly required, and mil-dot must be correct. Means, i can calculate distance to target just using reticle.

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I know you said you wanted higher mag but for hunting I would want lower.  Your description screams SS 6X to me.
 
This doesn't focus down enough for you but it would be a good scope - http://swfa.com/Nikon-45-14x40-Buckmaster-Riflescope-P42210.aspx
 
another good one -
 
 
 
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Up to a 100 yards 6.5-20 and fixed 16 is to much. I say SWFA SS 6X42.
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-6x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P47326.aspx
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 I have a S3 16x42 .177 S3 http://nd05.jxs.cz/248/741/ded447ca54_83265929_u.jpg?1328545491 , are small targets, shooting from 20-80 m, plinking, "HFT". Sure I would at least shem in S2 BigSky 4-16x42, max. 6-24x42.
 
I apologize for the very bad English, I use google translator. Embarrased
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I would definitely get a SWFA SS fixed before the Sightron fixed. To me they appear to be very similar scopes in every aspect except the Sightron is $575 and the SWFA scope is $299.

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Originally posted by Cope6.5/284 Cope6.5/284 wrote:

I would definitely get a SWFA SS fixed before the Sightron fixed. To me they appear to be very similar scopes in every aspect except the Sightron is $575 and the SWFA scope is $299.

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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

I know you said you wanted higher mag but for hunting I would want lower.  Your description screams SS 6X to me.

 
This doesn't focus down enough for you but it would be a good scope - http://swfa.com/Nikon-45-14x40-Buckmaster-Riflescope-P42210.aspx
 
another good one -
 
 
 

Hello there! Yep, for hunting, 6x or 8x is just fine, I agree, but when it comes to paper, 8x is not enough. Even at 50 yards. Thats why I was thinking about somth with adjustable magnification. Sightron looks well, thanks, Ill add it to my thinking list Big Smile

But what about Hawke? Any1 ever had it? I've heard that it has quiet good glass of leupold level.

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Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

Up to a 100 yards 6.5-20 and fixed 16 is to much. I say SWFA SS 6X42.

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-6x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P47326.aspx

Hello, Chris Farris II, right now i have some chinese scope "leapers 3-9x40". Some weeks ago I've tried to make groups with it @ 50 meters. And I can say that even 9x is not enough. Tried friends x24 and it was perfect for paper, but due small field of view it is useless on hunt. That's why I was thinking about 6,5-20. 6,5-10 at hunting and 10-20 for paper. But I worry for hawkes build quality, thats the reason I'm not 100% sure in it.

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Glass will trump magnification anyday and all day.  With better glass you'll be able to make out targets better with less magnification.   I can shoot better with my SS 1-4 than with an elcheapo 3-9 all day.  Keep that in mind.  Don't try to "buy magnification" unless your going to spend to get the glass along with it.
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Originally posted by sgt. Poulton sgt. Poulton wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

Up to a 100 yards 6.5-20 and fixed 16 is to much. I say SWFA SS 6X42.

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-6x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P47326.aspx

Hello, Chris Farris II, right now i have some chinese scope "leapers 3-9x40". Some weeks ago I've tried to make groups with it @ 50 meters. And I can say that even 9x is not enough. Tried friends x24 and it was perfect for paper, but due small field of view it is useless on hunt. That's why I was thinking about 6,5-20. 6,5-10 at hunting and 10-20 for paper. But I worry for hawkes build quality, thats the reason I'm not 100% sure in it.



A buddy of mine purchased that scope for his sons 22LR. I had a very hard time seeing with it at 50yds. But I have no trouble seeing targets at 100 or even 200yds with my Leupold VXII 3-9 EFR. So I do not think that it is the magnification range is lacking in your scope, but the glass quality.
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Thanks everyone for advices! I really appreciate it! Seems like there's really a great difference among scopes with different glass.

As for now, I find SWFA SS 10x42 suitable for me, I think I'll order it.

Thanks again stickbow46, SVT_Tactical, Chris Farris II, kesi, Cope6.5/284 and Sparky! Excellent

Time to choose mounts, I think I'll get Leupold QRW Rings.

If that topic will survive by the moment I receive scope, Ill add photos.

Best Regards.

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Hey sgt. if you are going to go with the SS10x,a great scope I might add,you should ask the good people at SWFA about Kit#5.It comes with a 10x SS scope, sunshade & both Butler Creek flip up covers.
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sgt. Poulton  Let me mention this.  SWFA only does business within the  United States.  Are you in the United Kingdom or where?
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Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

Hey sgt. if you are going to go with the SS10x,a great scope I might add,you should ask the good people at SWFA about Kit#5.It comes with a 10x SS scope, sunshade & both Butler Creek flip up covers.


Hey stickbow46, thanks for idea, I think I'll follow it Wink


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sgt. Poulton Let me mention this. SWFA only does business within the United States. Are you in the United Kingdom or where?

Russian Federation to be honest Shocked But I think I can find a solution Wink

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10x for hunting will be good. I owned a Bushnell Elite 5-15x40 and it was still set to 15x. Image more knocking, but I see more detail. (for shooting at targets, it is also better)
I also had a Hawke Sidewinder and TAC, all sold, I'm happy with the Sightron. More suits me modified reticle.
I believe that SWFA glass is very good for 300 USD.

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Hey keis, got your PM and replyed there, unfortunately, Sightron scopes are out of my budget Sad 
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upd: kesi ofc, sorry for typing your name wrong, shame on me, still don't have enough points to edit posts 
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SWFA does the same service as a Sightron.  Cool
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Just read that new SWFA SS scopes are coming for pre-order. 12x42 with mRad turrets seems to be just great Cool
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Originally posted by Cope6.5/284 Cope6.5/284 wrote:

I would definitely get a SWFA SS fixed before the Sightron fixed. To me they appear to be very similar scopes in every aspect except the Sightron is $575 and the SWFA scope is $299.
I agree, but you can compare the image quality (contrast, resolution) fixed magnification SWFA vs Sightron S3?
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I believe Sightron has better picture, but it costs twice more Smile

I'm not sure I can afford Sightron SIII right now Smile

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