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I admit I am fairly new to scopes, only owning a cheap "Remington" brand (cheap junk) that came with a SPS I purchased, and a higher grade brand that SWFA doesn't sell. Both of those are MOA adjustments without mil-dots.
Looking through the SWFA site, it seems like many of the lower priced scopes (under around $700) that have mil-dots are all MOA adjustments. Why is this? Doing some searching on this forum, other members made it sound like it is such a pain in the butt to make proper adjustments without the use of the MilDot Master. Having never used one, I am sure it is a fine tool, but wouldn't it make more sense to have Mil/Mil adjustments and recticle instead of mil/MOA? I'd rather not have to reference the master every time I needed to make a shot different than my zero.
Our local gun club is putting on "tactical" matches out to 800yd every couple months, so I've been looking to get a decent mil/mil scope for under about $750, preferrably variable with higher power in the 16-ish range, but it seems like they're all mil/MOA.
Being a novice, am I missing something simple here?
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I think it cost more to produce mil mil but I am not sure.

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Until recently, scopes came mismatched that way because turrets have traditionally been made and marketed in 1/4 MOA (or other MOA divisions). Many scopes with mil-dot reticles are still sold that way because manufacturers are either slow to catch on to the advantages of matching reticle to turrets or just don't care. Also, most scopes in this country are still SFP (second focal plane), meaning the reticle stays the same size regardless of magnification. Matching reticles/turrets are really at their best with an FFP scope (where the reticle size is relative to the target...that is it shrinks and grows with magnification, just as the target does).

For example, I have an SFP 2.5-10 scope. It's ranging power is 10X so that is (without additional math) the only power where I can just "natively" take advantage of the match. So if I shoot at a target and see that I was off .5 mils to the right through the reticle, I can adjust windage .5 mils left or move the scope .5 mils left. With my other scopes, which are FFP, I can be @ 7.2X or 12.3X or whatever and do that same thing. In practice, however, gradations on the reticle are too small to use at low magnification. But then, if you're at the bottom end it's because you're shooting close in, aren't you? In which case you use the reticle like a class need to worry about drops or wind.
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Mil/Mil and FFP is a better system for follow up shots and ranging.  But if you are shooting known distances and are on a budget, I would personally not hesitate to buy an MOA/MIL scope .  If you use a Ballistic calculator and fine tune it to your rifle and load then you should be able to shoot 100 to 800 with no disadvantage from a Mil/Mil setup.
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