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how much more scope are you getting (if any) with the Mk43.5-10 M1 vs the SS 3-9? other than saving $500 with the SS.

scope is going on a RRA LAR8 varmint, max range is around 800

just looking for opinions,

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your not.  The SS is better.
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i could care less how pretty it is, or what name it has on it. we had M3's in the army and i guess they are still using them. but i am a klutz, i'm super rough on everything i own, and i use everything i own.

so i would have no problem trading clarity for ruggedness.
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The SS is very tough, and has great glass. You won't be left wanting with it, trust me.
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say the 2 were equal in price, which then?
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SS. any way you swing itWink   IMO

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You wouldn't be trading clarity if you got the SS 3-9X. The glass is pretty good. Also, the scope is very tough.
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I happen to have both the Leupold FFP 3.5 to 10x40 and two of the Super Sniper 3-9x42 and one of the 10x42HD Super Snipers.  If I were to buy another scope today I would select either the 3-9x42 Super Sniper or the 10xHD.  The Mk4 and the HD both have adjustable parallax the MK4 is a knob on the left side the HD is rear focus so if you are left handed rear focus is a lot better. The 3-9x42 does not have any adjustable focus which can be a good thing on a fast action gun. The adjustable parallax is a desirable feature on a long range target or tactical rifle. Where the 3-9SS and the 10HD really work out better is that they are both 1/10 mil clicks so the reticle and the adjustments are in the same type of measurements.  The Mk4 is 1/4 moa clicls. The knobs feel better on the Super Sniipers.  The glass on the Super Snipers is at least comparable if not better.  I would suggest that you select one of the two new Super Snipers and if the rifle will only see long range work where a 10x would work then go for the fixed power. If the rifle willl be used for a lot of different things at differeant distances go for the 3-9.
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If you've worked much with Leupold tactical scopes, you have experienced a scope failure. 

I would say the SS is appreciably tougher than the loopy (anything mechanical can fail, it just seems loops fail more than most other reputable scopes.)
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thanks,

i should explain that i do have some experience with optics, i understand the difference between MOA and milliradian, and i prefer mil/mil scopes, we had the M3's on our sr25's which worked well, but i broke 2, and have leery since. they worked but i was jealous when we were hanging out with some marines who had S&B's.

i'ts been 10 years since then, and i just wanted to see what the best was at my $$ range, as i know optics have improved since then. there are so many new brands out now, $ for $ i preferred burris to leupold, but luppy's were still a bit better optically, but i prefer toughness.

but if the 3-9 SS has decent parallax out to 800 then that's fine, eventually i'd like it on MK12 variant for 3 gun.

thanks for all the input and please school me, as i've been out of the game for a while.

thanks again,
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"anything mechanical can fail"

absolutely, and leupold is more of a name anymore, and i like to try new things.

how is the warranty on the SS, though i hope it's never needed.
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Chris stands behind the SS 100%
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Originally posted by jjrgr21 jjrgr21 wrote:

"anything mechanical can fail"

absolutely, and leupold is more of a name anymore, and i like to try new things.

how is the warranty on the SS, though i hope it's never needed.
Rest assured, IF you have a problem with a SS, we WILL take care of you.
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Buy with confidence the Super Sniper scopes are a great choice.
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so i'm raising this again,

i bought a 3-9 ss, the hashes didn't align, swfa sent another, and the hashes didn't align, so it's on its way back. so my question, are there any other scopes out there that compare, for about the same $$. i thought of the bushy 2.5-16 6500, but now have my doubts about that.

any input is appreciated
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What do you mean the hashes didn't align?  The turret hashes don't line up with the witness marks?  If that were the only problem, I would just paint the witness mark and paint a new one on that lines up perfect.
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the hashes should line up with the main witness lines, i've had several scopes that align. they wouldn't exchange it if thats the way it was supposed to be.

i'm not here to complain, just seeking a little guidance.
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I didn't say that was the way it was supposed to be, I was just offering an alternate solution.  It was my "any input" you were talking about.

You might want to give SWFA a call and ask for one hand-selected to index exactly.  Maybe CFII could help you out.

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You can look at the Vortex PST series.

One thing I am certain of is whichever way you choose to go, SWFA will take care of you.  They have taken care of me.
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Maybe Sightron SIII series also.
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there was a note to look before, but right out of the it was obvious, then when reset to zero, it was way off. i thought of the viper pst, nikon X, and sightron
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I'm looking for a similar scope. I love the nikon monarch X glass, but the moa/mil and sfp is not quite right. I purchased a 42003-12FFpIR and sold it. The first one the turret continued to spin in the up direction for about 40mils. its spec'd at 19 or so. The second one they sent me the turrets were mushy.sold it. Probably never buy a bushnell again. 

Rumor I heard was Vortex PSTs are made in the same factory as Nikon, in fact I put a viper 2-7x I bought next to my nikon monarch 2.5-10x mil dot and the clarity appeared the same, the turret housing appeared EXACTLY the same and the FONT on the bottom of the tube was the same. The focus ring was different and the turrets are a little different but the viper I feel is in the same quality range as the monarch. So I am really looking hard a a viper PST and would like to hear reviews if they stack up to the nikon monarch X. 

I think the viper PST mil/mil 2.5-10x sfp IR is out and in your price range. $599 at SWFA

http://swfa.com/Vortex-25-10x44-Viper-PST-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P44567.aspx 

I would probably try a Viper PST 2.5-10x over a Leupold Mark4 right now for Price only because I like Nikon. I've been to the Leupold Factory and its 15min from my house so I sort of feel guilty not buying their stuff but they sem so far behind. I would like to know if the PST is good enough to be a duty optic and will be actually used by military/LE??


Sightron does not have FFP, but they do have a new IR with hash mark reticle. Weaver also has a new ffp with IR reticle. they also only offer a 3.5-10 and 6-24. I'm waiting for reviews on the PST and weaver tactical, or I may just try to spend double and buy a used USO. I've also been looking at Burris XTR 4-16x with IR mildot. It has an MOA turret and they are heavy duty.

If the super sniper came in a 5-20 or 4-16 IF/FFP, I'd probably try another one. I've hada 10x and they are great for a fixed power.

Let us know what you pick!


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Originally posted by jjrgr21 jjrgr21 wrote:

the hashes should line up with the main witness lines, 

What are you referring too? The turret? The clicks don't match up?  
I know I should, but don't get it.  
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@ cheaptrick, the hashes on the turret vs the reference line, do not match, the clicks were fine.


i'll probably end up going with the loopy mk4 4.5-14 LR/T target. i've had issues with leupold in the past, and was hoping to find an alternative.

as for the FFP vs SFP, SFP doesn't bother me, FFP is nice, but i have no problem ranging at what ever the scope is set at.

i know vortex is quality, but i don't want an ill reticle. and the nikon doesn't seem like value for the $$, and to get one refurbed, you don't get a warranty.

i hate the burris ballistic mil-dot, but like burris stuff,

and USO is waaaayyyy out of my $$ range.
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