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Not sure if I should add this to another post or start a new one, but I have finall narrowed my choices for my Win. model 70 7mm rem mag to these:
 
1) Leupold VX-R 4-12 CDS with the FireDot Duplex
2) Sightron SII Big Sky 4-16x42 AO and target turrets
 
Is the 12x on the Leupold enough for 500yds, thought the illuminated reticle would be nice. Or should I stay witht the Sightron.
 
Thanks for all the help.
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I personally would choose the Loopy FWIW.
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I like the Leupold out of those two.
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Thanks for the advice and for responding to my posts Bitterroot, it is appreciated. I think I'm leaning towards the Leupold also. The CDS dial should be easy to use for dialing in the slightly longer shots of 4-500yds, as long as the 12x is adequate.
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12x should be OK for 500 yards.  You might have to dial it down though.
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I wish I could have put this dog to bed, but I just can't seem to settle on the same scope two days in a row. I kind of feel like I should have mounted up the Viper HS LR 4-16x44 I had, and given it a shot. But the fear of committment set me back.
 
Was looking at Leupy's but can't get myself away from Vortex. The PST in the same magnificaiton range as I had is two much $$ for me, but if I drop to the 2.5-10x44 it would work. Which maybe should have been the way I went in the first place, just had it in my head that I would need more that 10x for the 500 yarder. The 2.5 would be nice for the occasional close shot, and most of my shots up to 300 yds would be on 6x or less anyway.
 
So the final question of the day would be : Is the 10x strong enough to hit a milk jug at 500 yds? the lighted reticle would take care of the previous crosshair issue. Now, if only the offered the lighter reticle on the Viper HS LR 4-16x44, I would be in business.
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Or do I just save for another month, and spring another $100 for the 4-16x50. That looks like a kick ass scope.
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Originally posted by mil169 mil169 wrote:

 
So the final question of the day would be : Is the 10x strong enough to hit a milk jug at 500 yds? the lighted reticle would take care of the previous crosshair issue. Now, if only the offered the lighter reticle on the Viper HS LR 4-16x44, I would be in business.



Can you see the milk jug at 50yds without any magnification? That is similar to what it will look like at 500yds with 10x magnification. And if you can not hit it with 10x, 16x is not going to make any difference in being able to hit it. I would go with the Leupold. Also it seems most people get way too much magnification in the beginning.
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Thanks for the comparison, makes sense. What features of the Leupold do you like better than the PST?
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I would go PST over either of your original choices.
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Throwing out all of the scopes I've asked about on my own is there one you would suggest for my purpose? Which is mainly hunting dusk to dark (most shots under 300yds) but target shooting to 500yd.

Would the SS 3-9x40 be all that I need magnification wise?
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There are a lot of scopes that will do what you want. To shoot long range you need to either be able to dial in correction with target / tactical knobs or you need a balistic reticle that you understand how to use. The Zeiss Rapid Z800 in a 4.5-14x44 is a fine choice for a balistic reticle.  Sometimes higher magnification scopes like a 4-16 or 5-20 can be helpful but mainly to view the possible target to determine if this is the deer that you really want to shoot or to look at holes in a target without a spotting scope. If a guy knows what he is doing he can shoot iron sights at 600 to 1000 yds and get consistent hits. So when you remember that there are guys at Camp Perry shooting 1000 yds with open sights the answer is yes you can take a 3-9x42 Super Sniper or a fixed 6x Leupold or Super Sniper and shoot a long long way.
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http://www.kentonindustries.com/pics/ttctypes/
Kenton Industries custom engraves knobs with marks in yds for a specific bullet load.
 
The CDS ---- Leupold Custom Dial System --  is the same thing but low profile like typical hunting knobs.
Dialing in correction works no matter what power the scope is on.
When it gets dark you need to dial a scope to lower power like 6x42 or 7x50
Several scopes will work if you want more power than 9x look at the Vortex HS and PST lines, but the Leupold you mentioned first will work also the Sightron would too likely but may not have lots of internal adjustment since its a 1 inch tube. This is the scope from the video:
Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Competition Hunter Riflescope Target Dot Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Competition Hunter Riflescope
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Leupold 4-12x40 VX-R 30mm Riflescope Leupold 4-12x40 VX-R 30mm Riflescope
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  • Vibration Sensor
  • Index Matched Lens Coatings
  • Lead-Free Edge-Blackened Lenses
  • Includes FREE Lens Pen & Alumina Threaded Lens Covers
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SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
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Thanks Urimaginaryfrnd for reviewing this topic with me several times. I actually re-read my original post and realized I had forgotten about several of the options you listed then.  I had it in my head that I needed more magnification, but spoke with a police sniper friend of mine and he told me that they use a Vari XIII or maybe II in 3-9x40 with a duplex and target style turrets. I also know he went to Utah and spent some time on the range and shot out to 800yds with it. So clearly I've overthought that part of it.
 
Not sure what to use as the deciding factor now though. I really like the look and feel of the Viper HS LR I had but the BDC reticle was concering at low light. Have thought about the V-Plex on the one  you mentioned, but was wondering if it had the same zero stop feature of the LR. Thought maybe the 50mm lenswould make the V-Plex easier to see at dawn and dusk.
 
Anymore thoughts?
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This is what I think you need to consider regarding choosing a scope.

First and most important is How do you hunt - is it stalking or is it from a fixed position.  If it is stalking lower powers are important and illumination is very helpful. If you will be in a stand or blind or a position along the edge of the field where you can take a solid rest you can take advantage of a lot of magnification.  Scopes with a basic reticle like a duplex can be sighted in with zero at 200 yds and most guys can figure out how high to hold over at 300 some possibly farther.  When you get past 300 yds it starts to get really difficult to estimate and the two possible systems are 1. a balistic reticle which unfortunately most are 2nd focal plane so they are only true at one specific magnification usually the highest power. 2. the second possible is target / Tactical knobs and the down side for hunting is most of them are tall and can snag on brush and have the knob turned by accident or possible get damaged but most are pretty darn tough.  The Leupold CDS knobs work like a target knob but are low profile and like a kenton knob can be custom engraved to your caliber. It is not absolutely necessary to do that though because target knobs are either marked in1/10 mil s or in 1/4 moa.  So with tactical knobs you just need to know what the distance is usually by a laser rangefinder then you need to know what number to dial the scope to and I keep notes taped inside the rear flip up lens cap. http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj_drift-5.1.cgi  balistics calculator which allows you to select drop in mil or in MOA.
People do tend to select more powerful scopes than they really need but therer are advantages both ways. If you want more magnification than the 3-9 you might want to look at this it has great glass low profile target knobs with screw on covers and you can get engraved Kenton knobs for it plus it has a balistic reticle so you can choose to either use the reticle or to dial in correction if you need to dial down the power in low light. One other good point is the rainguard finish on the lens is very hunting in bad weather friendly.  I have one similar that is a 4-16x40  4200 on a 300 WM and like it very much for a hunting scope.  
 
Bushnell 2.5-16x42 Elite 6500 30mm Rifle Scope DOA 600 Bushnell 2.5-16x42 Elite 6500 30mm Rifle Scope
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  • Comes with 3" Sunshade
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Thanks fort the suggestion. I do like alot of the features. I have two concerns though.
 
1)The DOA 600 reticle seems awfully busy, would it be possible to just use the Multi-X? (found one for $600 NIB) Unfortunately I don't have anyone near by that has one I could look at.
 
2) How is Bushnells customer service/warranty? I called them today to try to find out the dimensions on the reticles and they apparently didn't have that info available to them. I've read many mixed reviews on their CS, and am not sure what to think. As we all know the CS of Leupold, Sightron and Vortex is outstanding.
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Alright- I think this is finally IT. Like some others on here, I've toiled over this decision for about 2 months now and looked at so much stuff I probably just confused myself. However, I have learned a great quantity about differances in scopes and their features.
 
With that being said I've decided this:  I really like the Vortex Viper HS LR and PST turrets, the zero stop feature is neat as hell and like how easily the windage can be zero'd. Also on the 44mm I had for a week, I thought the glass was every bit as good and a VX3. Plus I've spoken with their CS several times and they all have been very nice and informative.  
 
So I think what I will do, (after speaking with Vortex) and see if they will send both the Viper HS LR 4-16x50 and the PST 4-16x50 (the lighted reticle should cure my only complaint that I had on the 44mm, although the exposed windage turret maybe a concern depending on how easily it turns) to my local dealer for me to look at. I will have to pay tax if I purchase one or the other but at this point my sleep is worth more. If I don't like either one, then I will save a few more months and get the Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x50 with the Z-Plex and target turrets. Don't really want to spend $880 on the scope (the significant other would probably not understand) but I want a very nice scope that will work under all conditions, and I don't "need" the scope until about August.  I guess I will continue to check the samplelist and hopefully come across a good deal before someone else does.
 
Thanks Urrmaginaryfriend for all of the suggestions. You helped me learn alot, and I did notice you seem to prefer the 30mm tubes.
 
Thanks again.
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Great minds think alike.  I just put my order in for a 4-16X50 PST.  The reticle difference was what did it for me.
 
We will have to compare notes.
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If you have narrowed it down to those two pick the one you think you are most likely to like and order it in from SWFA look at it ---- do not mount it until you are sure you want to keep it and if you dont like it pay the shipping to send it back and order something else. I have done this many times and SWFA is great to work with. The idea of shipping two scopes to your local dealer is a problem they will not want to deal with because they pay shipping there and back for what you dont buy.
 
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Vortex 4-16x50 Viper HS 30mm Rifle Scope Vortex 4-16x50 Viper HS 30mm Rifle Scope
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That sounds reasonable enough. The tax I would end up paying would cover the return shipping cost I guess.

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I think Urimaginary friend, has the best idea, you gotta figure that what you will pay in shipping, even sending it back will be cheaper than paying taxes for any of the scopes, i did compare a pst 4-16x50 and the said Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x50 with the zplex and target turrets. The zeiss in my opinion was noticibly better than the Pst, and managed to surprise the sales man at the gun store because he himself had said he was not a fan of the conquest but when he looked through both side by side, and outside, he admited that the zeiss was better. In my opinion it was worth the extra money and i love mine, but to each his own. The best thing to do is compare and find the one that YOU like, many people will make suggestions but it comes down to whats gonna float your boat, no one elses, good luck on your search. Big Grin
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I will say that I ordered in the PST and I really liked it but turned around and sent it back after looking it over because I really wanted the 5-20x50 Super Sniper and I dont regret the decision but I still like the PST and think its a great scope I have a couple of Vortex Vipers that I like but I absolutely love the Super Sniper 5-20x50 

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The SWFA was my first choice, UF, but other expenses came up, and the PST got the job for economic reasons.
 
I will have to console myself with time at the range.
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Nice set-up UF. Very nice.
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