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If you were every looking at getting the finest .308 out of the box ever produced now is the time.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=319650827

You will never find anything nicer out of the box.

Lets debate it if you do not believe me.

I have had 4 of these rifles and have never had anything in my hands that have ever compared to them.

My only thoughts on this one are the barrel is quite long and the mag is not the 10rd mag.

The action and barrel cannot be reproduced by any company in the States.  All are pale in comparison.  Sorry to all the Custom houses who have built me something and know my Screen name.

Honestly the price isn't bad figure $1250-1500 rifle $750-850 stock brake http://swfa.com/Surefire-Muzzle-BrakeAdapter-P45354.aspx $135

I've seen these rifles go for $2750 on up...

I don't know the seller and never buy the "I own it but it only has less than 100rnds through itm properly broken in, never shot bull crap...


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So I guess you like the Steyr then?
 
Don't know about the "can't be reproduced" thing though.  I mean some human made it after all.
The original US imoporter of AI rifles told me the same thing about their stuff.
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if the steyr recipes for cutting rifling barrels or their process of roto forging and or tolerances reproduced I would love to eat that crow, the problem being cost at that point.
 
Out of the box cold bore with the fn a3g was supposedly unmatched I found this to be untrue.
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Sorry did that on a mobile device.

I have to apologize I am in a funk.

I had some good success. I guess I am sounding to it can't be done.

I should rather state that I have yet to see it done, I have done pac-nor, shilen, hart, douglas, bartlein, Sako, Accuracy, Kreiger, Lilja, lothar, broughton, they all swear up and down while they are superb they are far from out of the box and they still cannot outshine The Steyr SSG's.  Something about how the Steyrs maintain heat they must have a really steady specific heat or delta thermal must be very steady gradually building because they are better than the others listed from first shot to last shot impacts when you can keep them hot or cold bore.

I do wish we could do this in the US at an affordable price however I know this is probably not going to happen.
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My only issue with the steyr, and this is from the old SSG69 of the late 1970's is that the barrels walked as you heated them up.  had two of the old units, roto forged tubes, and both did the same thing, from cold bore they would start printing up and right after about 4 rounds.  Let them cool and they'd go right back to zero.
Haven't shot the new units, but have bedded a few for friends.
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Just curious if you've shot anything built on a Surgeon action? I can't compare since I've never handled a Steyr.
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Yes, a few of them 1 KMW (that was a Surgeon I think)... Lighter than most but still to heavy not an out of the Box rifle. Not a $2500 rifle that shoots out of the box.

I know people on the Hide love em.

 I have a acquaintance or my friends friend who has 2 of them, I think he got rid of the .338 and stuck it out with the .308 never really used it past 500 so he knew he was just wasting time and not seeing performance.


1  .338LAPUA XL Bad boy had $5-6k in to it not including glass over built overimbellished.

2. .308  Don't know the name (TAC-30 or is that Stiller?) that had a Surefire Supressor and Surefire Brake.  $6-7K into that package not including glass

My impressions of both were beefy, pretty, machined out of 50lb blocks, lots of embellishments, liked the bolt angle if I  but thought that they were very, very overbuilt and had way to much weight for a tactical rifle.

I am not one for overbuilding if it is not necessary. 

I know when he got behind the Steyr and Shot a few rounds he didn't say a word and told me it was light and not built very well he liked the fact that the barrel was short and the suppressor was quiet (it was an OPS Inc. M24/M40 TYPE 3).

He then got to talking about the prices he had into them and couldn't believe the Steyr was $1500 and out of the box that accurate.

I am not making any statements about custom firearms or 1 off runs or job shops putting out a few hundred actions a year.

I am talking about the Steyr and the fact for $2500 you are getting a firearm that out of the box rocks and needs nothing to shoot little green Army Men at 300 yards with consistency and a person who has good control of his angles and body.

 I know some of  the top people and every year some who compete in the Sniper Challenges and Tactical Challanges swear by Surgeons and and some Stillers and just about any other custom you can think of.

I know this is going to sound bad but when you get down to it I was more stating this is a Brand that has this rifle known as the SSG that has for years been a very accurate smooth action that is light and is meant for DUTY it is light and portable and the one I saw on Gunbroker looks like an OK deal for someone wanting a nice Christmas Gift for themselves or an Adult Child.

I again apologize I am defensive and offensive trying to kick that habit but I am in a funk everything is fine just having a little multiple personality conflicts with myself, (am I going to be a nice guy or a bitter guy?) trying to turn it around ain't happening very fast...


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I have a question...

It's going to sound a bit wise-ass and confrontational but it isn't meant to be. The question is genuine.



I understand why prices start jumping up very quickly when you're talking about precision semi-autos, bigger specialty calibers (Some of the .338s, the .408, .416 and .50) and certain other guns, like the big African game doubles, fancy European Over/Under shotguns, etc.

But at the end of the day, this is a .308.

A fine cartridge, no doubt. One of the most successful cartridges of the smokeless era and with good reason. But at the end of the day the .308 has it's limits, just like every other cartridge.

That Steyr is just a bolt action. Not all that different from a Remington 700 or Winchester 70 and not far removed from the 1898 Mauser that is arguably the progenitor of all modern bolt actions.

It's a fine rifle, I grant you. And I have no doubt that the craftsmanship is as good as you say.

I just find myself wonder...
To what end?

I think we're all pretty familiar with what's available on the market and how well the various choices shoot.

Considering how GOOD rifles are these days and how much of the .308's performance envelope they can exploit, how much is LEFT for the Steyr to add to that?

What can the Steyr do with a .308 that is so much better than other rifles can do that would justify a 200-300% additional cost?
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I am not seeing the 200 to 300% additional cost for a Steyr.  A Remington 5r is $1100, a SSG 69 is $1500.  More like 25% increase.

Try to buy a Custom remington clone with a good McMillan or Manners stock, custom action, hand lapped barrel, good trigger, etc.  You can easily be $3000 or more. 


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Steyr makes a $600-$800 price point rife as well.  They call them the Prohunter, sbs or 96.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=319956217

this is another thing they make that many don't like I think it has its place.

Long story short again I do like the cheapy, Howa, Savage, CZ 550, as well if not a little better as they fit my price point.

I do not like 700's like most people they just aren't my thing.

Steyr cuts the rifling different and is known to have a longer barrel life, I do believe they keep to a very high standard of a very small tolerance and margin of error someone told me they orient and home or reset the machine every barrel multiple times at least before every cut and sometimes mid cut also I was told that each barrel is quality tested 3 times before it goes to be put to an action, and it is more exact or precise (at least my experience. You don't get rifles that shoot over 1/2 MOA maybe they throw away the ones that don't shoot who knows.

I obviously am very skewed on this.


I hope someone reads this and was going to buy a custom and wait months buys this and tries it to find they can get a good rifle for half the price of a custom.


To compare Steyr in fit and function and accuracy to modern day rifles with new technology is almost a foul in my opinion.

You won't get a rifle for $750 that is this sleek and sexy if so tell me and I will buy it and side by side it in a review...    


Please tell me someone on here has appreciated the Steyr Mannlicher or Steyr Pouchen for the last 30+ years... 
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IMHO, some of the higher end Remington 40X's and M 700's along with some of the Kimber, Sako and CZ will outshot the SSG.
Also Weatherby was producing a tactical rifle that had an a guarantee for accuracy.
How about Accuracy International.
The SSG was a good choice when it was the only choice but there a lot more players out there now.
I have shot a Remington M 700 police gun that came from the factory with a Leupold scope installed, it would shoot ten shot groups of less than .75 inch and do it consistently with Federal GMM, it was not cheap  but everything worked the way it was supposed to.
The M-24's are very accurate guns when properly set up and maintained and they are hell for strong.
A friend had one of the reissue Remington M-40's that consistently outshot his SSG with Federal GMM.
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I agree with Sako and CZ.

I am not arguing CUSTOM guns or guns that get reworked or special treatment, I am trying to compare out of the box.

I obviously opened a box here that is mis-understood.  Read it like an advertisement that isn't true.

I was just trying to sell this guys gun for him...

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A commercial keeps ringing in my head Butter is Better...

You steyr fans will understand this.
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Thanks 338. I was just curious what your frame of reference was. I'd never really paid attention to Steyr before...I will more in the future. Personally, I've found the two Remingtons I've owned were both very accurate (.5 MOA) rifles and I paid a grand each. I wouldn't necessarily consider that an endorsement of Remingtons, just that those two were excellent. I still wish I had that LTR because it was the older style with the better H-S stock and 40X grooved trigger.
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