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Have always wanted to try on of the new Steiner scopes for a while, basically since they were originally announced, something about them "captured my attention"  Well now I see they have a new scope line coming soon?  Predator Extreme with a nice looking specs.  Reticle looks niffty too.  Has anyone tested/evaluated any of the Steiner scopes? The Predator line seems to be nicely priced if the glass is what the rumor say they are going to be.

 
Thoughts on any of them guys? 
 
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Hey SVT, saw the thread and figured I'd register and reply as a Steiner owner.  I'm sure you've already read Ilya's piece in his optics blog but it helps with more opinions in the mix.  There are a very few number of us over at snipershide that run them, I've only had mine for about a month now. 

My overall impressions about the scope are extremely favorable.   I sold a IOR scope to help pay for it and have compared it side by side to said IOR before shipping it out and even a friends SS 5-20.  I did have a chance to compare it to a S&B 4-16x50 as well but only as far as the glass goes for a short time. 

The knobs on the steiner have a better feel than either of them, A very definitive click and audio sound to them is present.  Mine has no slop in the feel and lines up perfect.  Despite having only 19.5 mils of elevation in the knobs I still have 17.7 after zero and for a .308 that's huge.   

Maybe Ilya can explain this better or add some pictures but the zero stop works great.  All you do is rezero your knob and it will be set.   The zero stop is set at the factory.  Under the elevation knob is a flange and turns a half moon shape knob which is also the zero stop and pops out the 2nd turn indicator.  On the second turn the flange hits the back of the half moon knob and stops the elevation knob. 

I'm still getting used to the magnification ring as its opposite from my IOR but that will take time. 

The illumination is practically perfect.  The first 7 settings are designed for lowlight situations, level 1 is so faint that I'd have to guess its for NV.  8-11 are daylight settings and marked on the illumination knob.  The illumination knob is on the parallax knob, a great place for it.  Depending on the background you're shooting at 8 and 9 will be difficult to see however 10 and 11 are noticeable.  Each setting has a off between them.  3 and 4 for me are optimal.

This model has the gen 2 mil dot and for the magnification range is excellent.  It is 0.06 mil thick which may be too much for the 5-25 model but not here.  The half mil hash marks are very easy to spot being 0.5 mil in length, no problem noticing them even at 4x.

Now for the glass. 
As I've said I have compared it side by side to my IOR and in all areas of glass quality this thing mocks the IOR.  Color, contrast, detail, clarity, lowlight and midday so on and so forth it was noticeable and I had absolutely no complaints about the IOR.  I felt it was maybe a half step above the 5-20 SS.  The first time to the range I only fired 35 rounds as I was just blown away by the glass, spent the rest of the time just looking around at detail I was missing until then.  The S&B owner I've known now for about 2 months, his 4-16 has the P4f and I wanted to check out the reticle.  The entire mag range the schmidt was clear and crisp but felt the steiner was better however that may very well be due to the difference in the diopter setting.  Neither of us wear glasses but he's got at least 30 years on me.  In any case I'd say its at least on S&B level from what I could tell.  Considering the Steiner 4-16 goes for $2300 and the S&B 4-16 goes for $3500 give or take its a no brainer.  If Steiner made this a 4-20 model all else the same but charged an extra say $300 for the additional mag Schmidt & Bender would be hard pressed to sell their 3-20 model for their current asking price.

I feel as if I'm leaving something out however I've been up too long and now running on empty. 

Flyingbullseye 

    
    
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I have not seen the new Steiner hunting scopes, so I can not comment on those.

I do like the tactical Steiner scopes quite a bit and use one (4-16x50) all the time.  It has yet to let me down.  I think in terms of optics and mechanics, it holds its own against just about anything out there and I like the illumination of the Steiner more than on any of the competing designs.

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Hey Flyingbullseye
GREAT REPORT! and welcome to OT.

I 'm fighting insomnia and burnt out at the same time, so up and reading your post... can't wait to see one of 'em.
Why give Steiner any ideas about a $300 price raise... (uh- oh, starting to think I'm funny).
Along the same vein, SVT really needs another tactical scope.
That boy's got it bad.
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Thanks for that report and welcome to the OT.  Glad to hear another perspective.


Alan.....   I was going to buy two and send you one... but now I guess I'll just passBig Grin
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Thanks guys for the welcome.  A few things I would like to add is the length of the scope is quite long.  It measures about 16.5 inches, might be a bit much for some shorter gas guns but is at home on my 700.  The other interesting thing is this scope has absolutely no tunneling.  4x all the way to 16 not a bit what so ever.  Not sure how steiner did it but they did.

All things taken into consideration and putting it in is price bracket the only scope that could compete with it is the Premier LT but will go head to head with the rest of the big boys and still hold its own.  The only way I'm giving it up is either you pull this thing from my cold dead hands or Steiner comes out with a 4-20 replacement.   
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Great, now I need a Steiner, thanks guys!

Flyingbullseye, welcome to the OT.
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I had a feeling you'd have already tried one.  Be anxious to see your eval on one as I know your not one to candy coat things at all and your past evals have proven so.

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Great I was thinking about a USO, but now I will have to look into the Steiner.
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