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We Had a BBQ at the house yesterday and later got the to show off the SS 5-20X50 HD to some of my friends. There were 7 people looking through the scopes as it got dark. Shooters and non-shooters,  ranging in age from 18 - 60. The purpose was to show off the SS 5-20 and to educate the difference in performance between low-end scopes and the better scopes.

I selected a wide variety of scopes.

1. Super Sniper 5-20X50

2. Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20X50

3. Leupold 4.5-14X50 VX III LR with the Varmint Reticule

4. Tasco world class 4-12X40

5. Nikon 2.5-10X42

6. Kahles 3-10X50 CL MZ

I used the Tasco because it is considered by a couple of the guys to be a very nice scope. Neither has ever owned a scope over $200. They were enlightened.

Everyone noticed in the last of the setting sun the edges fading away and the bland view from the lack of contrast in the Tasco. As the light started to fade the Tasco fell out fast and soon nobody could see a blue bucket on the pond bank at 200 yds. Even though it was still fairly light and well before legal shooting time.

Next fall out was the Leupold. The view was again somewhat flat because of lack of contrast. Fine lines of the Varmint Reticule faded quickly with the light, even though you could still see the blue bucket fairly well. Not really the best reticule choice in this comparison. 

The Nikon Monarch comes in next. The reticule is much bolder than the Leupold. The Nikon has much better contrast that improves the view especially as the light faded more.

Next to my surprise comes the Zeiss Conquest. I hold the Conquest in fairly high esteem and was very surprised that the SS beat it almost across the board. The Conquest only strong point over the SS was the much more forgiving eye box While much easier to get behind I could see where it could cause a greater chance of error in the Conquest if the  parallax adjustment was off a little or if your eye placement was not consistent.

Now the SS-20 HD. I had hoped it might tie the Conquest in clarity and contrast. The SS by a full step above beat the conquest in both. The turrets feel much better too. The SS has more contrast and definition allowing improvement in very low light performance. When as it gets even darker you can turn on the best illuminated reticule I have ever used. The tiny dots of light that show up well, yet never flood the view with too much light. The Parallax correction allows you to see much closer targets. Clearly by half the distance than the conquest would allow you to see.

Best scope I own in the low light department is the Kahles. The wow factor of the low light performance far exceeds any scope I have ever had my hands on.

This review is non-technical to be used only for comparison and was the unanimous decision of the 7 people that were on hand at the time. In the scopes selected for this demonstration there no very close calls. the SS 5-20 won as the best overall. The Kahles allowed you to see more and better under the lowest lighting. The SS 5-20 HD far exceeds my expectation's held before receiving the scope. SWFA has produced another a true winner.

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I was about to yell out and scream "Oh NO, RICH IS BACK!!!" (thinking maybe one of his crazy friends hi-jacked your account) then I looked and saw you didn't make any outlandish claims and seemed to be particularly sober and not to rambling...

All statements seem to be factual about which goes where...

I believe the Kahles to be a scope not soon replaced by anything from that part of the world...


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Two of the scopes mentioned did not have a 50 mm objective. Not sure we are comparing apples to apples.
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You also compared a $1,500 scope to a sub $100 Tasco. What does that prove?
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Originally posted by cjd223 cjd223 wrote:

You also compared a $1,500 scope to a sub $100 Tasco. What does that prove?

He described why he used the 100 dollar Tasco in the initial post. 
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So.....how was the BBQ?  Bucky
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Originally posted by cjd223 cjd223 wrote:

You also compared a $1,500 scope to a sub $100 Tasco. What does that prove?


Who cares, that's one of the few scopes he had to test with.

Nice post Lile!!  Thunbs Up
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

So.....how was the BBQ?  Bucky

+1??

Thanks for the post and thoughts.
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Originally posted by cjd223 cjd223 wrote:

You also compared a $1,500 scope to a sub $100 Tasco. What does that prove?
 
It proves that there are some people not informed as to how BAD scopes like tasco are. And believe me, i understand not everyone has a grand or more to spend on a scope. Most average Americans don't buy many rifles for more than that. But it was nice to see how each scope compared to the other.
 
Some people are simply not well informed or plain ignorant to the different tiers of optics.
 
Thanks for the nice write up 3 tens!


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Thanks for the heads up 10's,mine is suppose to be delivered tomorrow Yippee,after your review I'm glad I didn't wait to buy it....Enjoy
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

Originally posted by cjd223 cjd223 wrote:

You also compared a $1,500 scope to a sub $100 Tasco. What does that prove?
 
It proves that there are some people not informed as to how BAD scopes like tasco are. And believe me, i understand not everyone has a grand or more to spend on a scope. Most average Americans don't buy many rifles for more than that. But it was nice to see how each scope compared to the other.
 
Some people are simply not well informed or plain ignorant to the different tiers of optics.
 
Thanks for the nice write up 3 tens!


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Sorry if some feathers got ruffled, but once again comparing a $1,500 scope to a $100 one is like comparing a Ferrari to a Volkswagon. The rest were kind of in the same class.
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Originally posted by cjd223 cjd223 wrote:

Sorry if some feathers got ruffled, but once again comparing a $1,500 scope to a $100 one is like comparing a Ferrari to a Volkswagon. The rest were kind of in the same class.

We know.
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Originally posted by cjd223 cjd223 wrote:

Sorry if some feathers got ruffled, but once again comparing a $1,500 scope to a $100 one is like comparing a Ferrari to a Volkswagon. The rest were kind of in the same class.


I think this was a fun, informal comparison.

It wasn't like he was saying the Tasco WC competes with the good stuff.  Some have made such ridiculous claims.
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Wonder how a Hensoldt would have compared...
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My pick of scopes was very deliberate.  I was trying to show to my friends how much difference there is in the quality of scopes. While looking through the Tasco World Class in full sunlight it has a very usable view. This specific scope was one of the (made in Japan) Tasco's that is over 10 years old. They sold for about $199 at that time. These are much better scopes than the Tasco WC scopes of today that are made in China and sell for $49. My demonstration was to show how the cheap scope may look good in full daylight but falls flat on its face when there is less light. That point was achieved. The Leupold was chosen to demonstrate how the lack of contrast makes this scope less efficient at locating targets and its effect as the light dims. This point was also achieved.  The Nikon was chosen because I like the view and it has proven to be a better than average low light scope for its price. The Zeiss  was picked because it has proven to be a very good scope with very similar size and power to the Super Sniper. The Kahles was chosen because it is the best low light scope I have ever owned. To me is a known data point standard of excellence. It also has very similar aspects to the Nikon. I did not intend to do a side by side spec. comparison to the Super Sniper. I do not have, or have never had access to another scope that could be a side by side comparison to the long list of the special features of the 5-20 Super Sniper. Cool
It was a good day with lots of good barbecue. Good friends, enjoying life.
Lile

Magnumdood. I have never even seen a Hendsolt. You send me one and I will be happy to let you know how they compare. Pm and I will give you the address to ship it to.
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Good write up! Sounds like a good time!
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Nice write-up!

For what it is worth, I suspect that your assessment of where the 5-20x50 SS fits in terms of image quality it right on the money.

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Good write up!  

I have a feeling that the newest scope in the SS line will be hit.  
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+1 great write. really who care he used a tasco, its most common scope anyone buys
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This still does't answer the question: How was the bar-b-que?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Neat comparison too.
I'm shocked about how the SS compared to the Conquest.
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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

 Magnumdood. I have never even seen a Hendsolt. You send me one and I will be happy to let you know how they compare. Pm and I will give you the address to ship it to.
Wink
Only way my Hensoldt goes anywhere is with me attached to it. Cool
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I heard due to flash problems on the prototypes that the 5-20 will be shipping with just an illuminated dot rather than the reticle crosshairs/gradiations. Yet it seems your version has more than just a dot illuminated according to your write-up.
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I might be incorrect in my fact-stating here, but was Tasco not the original producer of the "Super Sniper" scope line?  Purchased by SWFA and given a vastly different makeover...I could swear that I recently read this somewhere.  If this is the case, maybe your comparison of a Tasco to an SS was not so off base (see that?  Yeah, that over there?  It's me, grasping at straws Wink
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Tasco did market the Super Sniper years ago.  SWFA bought the rights to the Super Sniper line.  They completly changed it to be better built, better quality, better everything.  However they didn't really change the looks to drastically and they still shipped a few with tasco manuals because well basically they operate the same and it saved cost from having more printed.  (I mean really most people know how to mount a scope and zero, who really reads the manual?)  Anyway after the 10X, 16X and 20X popularity SWFA expaned their brand to the SS line. This included the 10XHD and 3-9X.  Both known just as SS and not Supersniper because the dramatic upgrade in glass and making them Mil/Mil.  Given how good they have been recieved they then introduced a few others.  They did a 6X in the original Super Sniper line and a 1-4 in the SS line and now the 5-20 in the SS line.   They have more in the works all the time and have a vast following because of the durablity and warranty. 
 
So yes once a long time ago Super Sniper was associated with Tasco,  not anymore, and never again thoughWink
 
(Anyone correct any errors I've made)
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