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Looking to buy one of these for a general purpose rifle. Everything from hunting to target to SHTF. They both seem really close in comparison except for the Vortex PST has illumination, which isn't really necessary for me but probably nice to have. as far as build quality, glass, and durability, is there a clear winner? Or are they both pretty good scopes at that price point? Does one have better glass than the other? I would definitely like to hear some of your opinions.

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Also one is FFP (the SS) the other is not. 

We know the SS is a great scope, not really many out there yet of the PSTs.  I have not honestly seen a single review of a 2.5-10x.  They are great on paper and will probably be great scopes, just not known for sure yet.
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until the vortex gets proven the SS will be better and a more desirable scope, not saying anything is wrong with vortex but i'd prefer more track record than they have on that line right now
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Yeah, on paper the PST's look great. The SS has been proven, and looks like you can drive fence posts with it. I am going to ASSume the glass quality is about equal.
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ILya is in the process of writing a review which includes both of these.  That should offer a bunch of insight.

I really like the SS 3-9 but haven't seen a PST 2.5-10 yet so I can't really compare.
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I was in the exact same boat as you with the same 2 scopes for my MP15 AR.  After much comparing, reading, and asking questions of Jon A and others, I went with the SS 3x9.
 
It came down to:  which one could I buy and get on my gun at the time - I was tired of waiting for the PST to get the kinks worked out and finally get to market.  Now that it has started shipping, it still really doesn't have an established track record yet.  They are just too new.  Vortex does have one hell of a warranty and customer service, so that won't be a problem.  I have not had the PST in hand to compare.
 
Let me just say that all who offered opinions didn't steer me wrong.  The SS is all that!  It's proven, has a great track record, and just gets it done.  I couldn't be happier.  The glass seems more than up to the task for the ranges that I shoot my AR.  I am by no means an optics guru or expert compared to some others on here.  I've never had the opportunity to look through or use NF scopes or alpha glass of the $1500 on up variety.  That said, I doubt I'd trade or sell my SS 3x9 for anything.  For the money spent, I feel I got great value - it should cost more!
 
The SS is my first and currently only FFP scope.  I highly doubt I'll ever own another SFP scope other than for maybe on a .22 - which I have a Vortex Viper 2x7.  The FFP just seems to agree with me and I like it alot for my uses.
 
Some have said FFP isn't really necessary on a 3x9 scope.  That may be true, but I'm glad it's there.  At low power I use mainly the cross hairs, as I crank up the power I can range or adjust to my target not having to remember to be on the highest setting for the reticle to be accurate as with a SFP scope.  It's just one less thing for me to remember.
 
Ask yourself as I did, how soon do you want a scope?  One is proven, the other has yet to prove itself.
 
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i like the discussion here but why is everyone saying vortex is unproven as if to imply that it would not hold up to the same standard.  This talk is going to happen whenever new products are released, but i'm not aware of vortex ever dropping the ball so to speak throughout the history of their company.  even if they somehow made a bunch of lemons, it would be a zero issue with their best in the buz warranty and customer service.  lets not get over speculative here because we have nothing else to talk about.  looking forward to ilya's review.
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Originally posted by grimreaper21 grimreaper21 wrote:

i like the discussion here but why is everyone saying vortex is unproven as if to imply that it would not hold up to the same standard.  This talk is going to happen whenever new products are released, but i'm not aware of vortex ever dropping the ball so to speak throughout the history of their company.  even if they somehow made a bunch of lemons, it would be a zero issue with their best in the buz warranty and customer service.  lets not get over speculative here because we have nothing else to talk about.  looking forward to ilya's review.
are you forgetting the first release of the PST's?  
 
We aren't saying they are bad it is just between the two most of us just don't wanna recommend something that isn't tested when the other option is built like a tank.
 
  ILya is running a review of these two together, his input will be the most valuable for the optical comparison.
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Where the PSTs are a new design, there is nothing wrong with wanting them proven first.  Lots of new scopes have came out and flopped in the past.  Look at the IOR 3-18x snipers hide edition.  It took 4 different versions before they finally got a reliable one.  IOR has been building scopes for a very long time and still had problems.    
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Originally posted by grnjeep1 grnjeep1 wrote:

Yeah, on paper the PST's look great. The SS has been proven, and looks like you can drive fence posts with it. I am going to ASSume the glass quality is about equal.


The SS glass quality is very good.  I don't have the 3-9x but do the 10xHD.  It is as good as anything else coming out of Japan.  It is not as good as the high end German glass, but they don't cost $2000 plus either.  It is really good none the less.
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I have two of the 3-9x42 Super Snipers and they are awesome scopes. I would love to have another of them.  The ViperPST has not hit the street yet. Is it a good scope - likely.  I would  select the 3-9 Super Sniper however where I see Vortex being interesting is their 4-16  model and I came very close to buying one of those but decides on a Trijicon Accupoint 5-20x50 instead.
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