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Surprise!!! you are - RIGHT - Barrett includes a POS $200 scope with the purchase of that specific $3675 package. What a failure on their part. (Makes me wonder if they tried to save money on the other parts in their rifle like the extractor - ouch.)  Did you read the other thread about the guy that bought the 10x 3200 Bushnell and couldn't get it to hold Zero. Next year Barrett is probably comming out with a Tasco 3-9 world class package for those of you who really need a variable for your rocket launcher - err - Barrett.  What do you shoot with your .50 cal or .416 Barret anyway? Do you ever have a problem with over penetration?   I have to be accountable for the ammo the state issues me.  Doesn't it get a little heavy?  For some reason I just cant see carrying a Barrett 50 and 100 rounds of ammo stalking through the woods, the heat of Iraq or anywhere you couldn't drive to, but then they saved a lot of weight by putting that scope on it, I 'd have to have Samsonite luggage with wheels for the ammo alone. That still doesn't change the fact that it's not U.S. Government "ISSUE".  Meanwhile back at the ranch the Super Sniper is U.S. Government "ISSUE"  Go Figure.

 

Kind of like "Buy a DeLorien get a free Coke".  I know I'll have to explain that one to the youngsters here - (Once upon a time there was a manufacturer of stainless steel high dollar sports cars by the name DeLorien and the guy that owned the company got busted for possession of Cocaine resulting in the end of  production - so there was a joke in the law enforcement community "Buy a DeLorien get a free Coke".


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Charlie70 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/12/2006 at 12:44

I have no use for a rifle of the big bore, far reaching Barrett genre. I'm not in the military or law enforcement and do not shoot ultra long distances competitively, thus no need for it. I just made a statement from some second hand info I had come across pertaining to this thread. I wasn't trying to piss you off, just wanted to get the facts. Turns out the info was half right, comes with the .416 but not the .50. I am sure price was a factor when including the 3200 with this rifle. The only reason I mentioned it was I couldn't see a highly regarded company like Barrett putting a piece of crap bb gun scope on one of these fierce weapons.

Ah, the DeLorean...I remember my local chevy dealer had a couple of those funky stainless steel cars and parts for sale. People from all over Texas and Oklahoma would call him for parts or panels when they had problems or a wreck.

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Charllie70 you didn't piss me off actually I got a good laugh out of it when I found out that Barrett really includes that scope in any package. I  later heard that Barrett wanted another scope as their first choice but wanted to keep the cost down and were unwilling to pay over $150 per unit.(I'm waiting for the package with the Tasco 3-9 world class) I think it was a poor choice on their part because it makes you wonder where else they went the cheap route. I have looked at the scope and I didn't really care for it, but I'm rather picky about my optics. If by any chance you are considering purchasing that scope you might call SWFA and ask if they have any customers that have purchased that particular model who are on opticstalk and PM them to see what their evaluation of it is - (better to ask someone who has one what they like and dont like about it).  The one year only warranty worries me when even Burris gives a lifetime warranty.  I would also ask about the issue of re-setting the turret to "0" as that is rather important. Also I over exaggerate when I call it a BB gun scope there are probably a lot of guys that have them and like them but it is really not in the same class as the high end tactical scopes, interestingly enough the Super Sniper  10x42 is in the same class the glass is clear and sharp the turrets are crisp precise clicks and a real pleasure to use. Fixed power scopes are by nature relatively tough because they have less parts .

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I'm sure most people who throw down nearly $3700 for a rifle of this class are going to want a slightly higher end piece of glass on it. Hell, if I laid down that much cash, I would want a Nightforce, S&B or something along those lines on there. I got this info from a forum about the 6.5 Grendel as I have one on order and am waiting shipment. One of the guys happened to have this scope on a prototype. I didn't realize the scope was that cheaply priced and it surprised me too.

Oh, no I am not looking to get one. I have a Weaver 3-9 x 40mm Tactical waiting to be attached to the Grendel upon arrival.

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Weaver makes a good solid scope especially the Grand Slam series. They have been around a long time and are a good value for the money.


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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Kind of like "Buy a DeLorien get a free Coke".  I know I'll have to explain that one to the youngsters here - (Once upon a time there was a manufacturer of stainless steel high dollar sports cars by the name DeLorien and the guy that owned the company got busted for possession of Cocaine resulting in the end of  production - so there was a joke in the law enforcement community "Buy a DeLorien get a free Coke".



On a side note, (not to start and arguement) wasn't the DELOREAN aluminum?
 

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I quickly take off my shoe and insert my foot into my mouth.

You are correct sir DeLorean were SS.
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I got an e-mail back - here is what they told me ( seems the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing):

 

"RSR, our distributor, offered a package deal with the M99 that included
the
Bushnell scope.  Some time our distributor offers these types of
packages
but direct ordering from Barrett usually does not include special
packages.
We offer the rifles and scopes but they are priced separately.

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Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, Inc.
P.O. Box 1077
Murfreesboro, TN  37133-1077
615-896-2938 (phone)
615-896-7313 (fax)
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Barrett should just raise the price $299 and include a 10x Super Sniper.

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Actually, just raise the price $100 bucks, about the price diff between the SS and Bushnell. That and give a choice of which power SS you would want. Just the sound of a "Super Sniper" coupled with this gun would be a good selling point.
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You mean raise the price $149.95 because Bushnell gave Barrett a discount and sold the scopes for $150 each.

 

Once you get to $3675 whats another $149.95 is that - really -  going to keep you from buying the howitzer of your dreams. Come on Barrett suck it up and use some common sense. Yes it would be a good selling point since SS is rated for .50 cal and to get to pick which power - oh yea. 

 

DUH - The idea that were at $3675 we need to keep our price competative doesn't hold much water.


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Quote With the SS you loosen three hex screws and are able to re- adjust the turret just like my Leupold LR Mark 4 Tactical Scopes.  As for the Bushnell you better ask the company how or if it is possible to reset the dials to "0"  I see only a single hex screw on top and it may allow a re-set but you better ask before you start taking a new scope apart - so this is a point of concern for you to investigate before you buy.

 

 

 

I have owned both the SS and the 3200. I still own the 3200.  Not that the SS is a bad scope, I just never had true trust in its tracking repeatablility.  It would seem to be off just enough to piss me off in practical comps shooting 50-600 yards.  My 3200 has 81.5 moa elavation adjustment.  On my 20 moa base more than plenty for 1000+, heck, that'll do it on a flat base.  The Super sniper I had was around 92-95 moa IIRC.  The turret's reset on the 3200 are much easier than the SS and have no way of slipping like the SS can.   Reset the SS's 5-10 times for different ranges and rifles, and the set screw can loosen up a tad after 20-30 rds down range, overtighten and you put a detent in the turret stalk they clamp on.  3200, loosen hex screw, lift turret off splined shaft, adjust, put back down, retighten-GTG.

 

The AO of the SS is an advantage, although I've never had a parallax issue with the 3200 (and believe me, I look for any excuse to blame a pulled shot on).  Admitedly I haven't shot it past 700 yards either. 

 

I still own the 3200.  Recent scopes on my rifles include but are not limited to (.308)- Super Sniper 10X RF(spent time on AR15 after 308, then traded for Eotech),  Leupy 56090 8.5-25MK4(Sold), Leupy VariXIII tac w/Premier Reticle Gen 2 FFP MIldot (Gone), USS XOTIC (Gone), IOR 2.5-10 FFP Illum MP8 (on rifle-love it!) and 3200 (First mildot scope-)now backup scope.  I've had a piece of glass or two lately.

 

 

I don't care if Barret (or a distributor of their rifles) includes a 3200, however I get the feeling that if they included your pet $300 scope you'd be touting it as proof of its worth!!!!!

 

Spare someone looking here for information your opinions and crap you've inferred from internet postings and ads and limit your advice on a product to one you have experience with.  I personally know someone that ran a 3200 10X40MD 1000+ rds on a 300WinMag with no ill effects before relegating it to his .243.  I know the 3200 works, is repeatable, ranges correctly and has the adjustment to get the job done.

 

 

Sorry to rant, or if I pissed you off, I just don't like people bashing products they haven't used.  The 3200 Mildot 10X is in my opinion the best to get if you're starting the Long Range game, as you can spend $200 on optics, the money you saved on ammo and marksmanship practice, and if you're still doing it, save up for a "real" scope.

 

Look at the above mentioned scopes that I've sold in the last year and notice the 3200 10X is still my backup.

'Nuff said.

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I have had both too... The only thing to add is, I don't much care for wire reticles, which the 3200 has.. Not to say that it's not durable, cuz I have never broken one. Mine just looks like it's bent.. tracks fine tho...



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  I also have 3200 fixed 10 and i love it. I bought it for a 308 that i had. Sold the rifle. Held on to the scope. It now sits atop a 223 single shot that i bought for shooting prairie dogs. It has held it's zero over many trips to the range. And many trips to dog towns.
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I've looked at the 3200 at the store a couple of times - I still have no desire to own one. I have SS 20x,   SS 10xM, Leu Mk4 10xM3, Leu Mk4 8.5-25ill, Leu VXiii 4.5-14x50, LeuVXiii 3.5-10, Aimpoint, Leu 2-7,Burris 1x,  & 3 Tasco 3-9s and Im sure the 3200 is at least as good as the Tascos which have held up well on 50cal musket and .375 H&H. But do I want a 3200 for the rifle I just ordered - No. So we each have our preferences and opinions. Would I buy another SS 10x M - You bet. Would I buy and IOR or Zeiss or NIkon or Burris - likely.  A Bushnell - unlikely but that doesnt mean that you shouldnt buy one if you like them.

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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

The one year only warranty worries me when even Burris gives a lifetime warranty.

You misunderstand the Bushnell warranty. 

 

Bushnell® ELITE® Riflescopes are warranted to be free of defects for the life of the ELITE Riflescope. The warranty is available to any owner of the ELITE Riflescope. No receipt or warranty card is required.

 

In addition, Bushnell has a one year "No Questions Asked" garantee. If you're not convinced it's hand down the best scope you're ever hunted with, Bushnell will replace it free or give you a full refund.

 

Sorry if that sounds like a sales pitch, but I just cut and pasted.  But it is not a bad warranty; in fact, it is the best warranty in the industry.

 

I do not have a 3200, but I have two 4200s and they are excellent optics.  I have no experience with the SS.

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Bushnell does have a lifetime warranty with 1-year no questions asked, period.  It is a good warranty.  As for Elite scopes, both 3200 and 4200 are nice and durable scopes.  I am a big fan of the Elite 4200.  As for the 3200, they seem to be quite good mechanically, but it does seem like some corners were cut on glass quality.  With that in mind though, I would expect Bushnell to update the glass.  Elite 3200 competes directly against Burris Fullfield II and Nikon Buckmaster both of which ahve gone through a glass redesign in recent years and are a fair bit better optically.  Nevertheless, for someone who wants a fixed 10x scope for not a lot of money Elite 3200 is a good choice.  I gave one to my cousin a few years ago and spent quite a while playing with it.  It is a nice scope which tracks well and works as advertised.  Is it as good as a Super Sniper?  I do not think so.  It is cheaper though.  If you can spend $300, get a Super Sniper, most definitely.  If you can't Elite 3200 will work well for you. 

 

As for the warranty, I want the company to stand behind their products, but I have never bought a scope because of the warranty.  If I have to use the warranty more than once on a scope that I bouught new, I'll switch to another company.  There are enough players in the market for that.

 

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Hello Gentlmen

 

I am new to your optics chat and would like to share this and many of my other expirences with scopes and shooting info. Bushnell Elite 3200 fixed 10 is a very good scope it has precise adjustments and holds zero very well. Resolution is similar to a weaver classic. The Mil-dot is similar to a tasco world class in demension. This scope mounted on a of the shelf savage 111 accutrigger 30-06 hunting rifle shoots Sub MOA( about .825) with 150 Federal powerpoint. Construction, finish, resolution and features are bare minimum for a tactical scope. I would consider this a good hunting scope, but not the best choice as a tactical. I have no expierience with the SS 10X.

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