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Have narrowed my choices down to either a SS 10x or a Bushnell Elite 3200 10x.  Now I cannot decide.  Can anyone give me first hand facts of one vs. the other?  And why one would be a better choice.  Your help is appreciated.

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What do you want - the look of a tactical - like the bushnell Elite 3200 10x   or   at Professinal Tool like Super Sniper 10x. I have one 20x Super Sniper on my 700 PSS and  I just ordered a 10x Super Sniper  for another rifle and recieved confirmation that it was shipped Friday. Super Sniper may be value priced but it is tough - a solid professional tool and will hold up long after the bushnell is history.

 

Now for the basics  - 30mm tube optics have more minute of angle range of adjustment than a 1 inch tube.

 

SS has a 30mm tube  BE is 1in.  Adjustable focus SS has it BE doesnt. Turrets able to reset the "O"    SS has it.  Resale value SS has it.        (SS  21 ounces 13.88 inches long)   vs   (BE  15.5 ounces 11.7 inches long).

 

When you are comparing these two scopes you are definately not comparing apples to apples. A more realistic comparison would be SS 10x and IOR 6x42 then you might have competition.

 

(If I wanted to compare the Bushnell  3200 to something I would group it with Simmons and Tasco - it might be a good choice to put on a .22 or a 22mag.)

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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

 

 

SS has a 30mm tube  BE is 1in.  Adjustable focus SS has it BE doesnt. Turrets able to reset the "O"    SS has it.  Resale value SS has it.        (SS  21 ounces 13.88 inches long)   vs   (BE  15.5 ounces 11.7 inches long).

 

(If I wanted to compare the Bushnell  3200 to something I would group it with Simmons and Tasco - it might be a good choice to put on a .22 or a 22mag.)

 

So after you zero the scope at "said yardage" you can reset the turrets on the SS but not the Bushnell?

 

Do you not think the 3200 is a capable scope? I am not bashing your opinions, I am just digging for more feedback. I am also looking at the 3200 and the SS10X. Most of my shooting will be under 400 yards with most of that at 100 yards.

 

Thanks!!

 

 

 

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Just the lack of parallax adjustment is enough reason to NOT consider the Bushnell.
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"Do you not think the 3200 is a capable scope?"  -   That depends on how you define capable, for me NO but it might be just the right scope for someone else.  I don't mean to seem hostile but I feel very strongly that the Super Sniper is a gunfighters tool and the 3200 is not.

 

If you plan to use the 3200 as a civilian - hunting or target scope it should be ok - probably not the best choice  for either but ok. The 3200 10x is made to look like it is a tactical scope but looks is as far as it goes - it' a sheep in wolfs clothing. Are you shure that you aren't needing is a  hunting - target scope  more like Bushnell 4-16x40 Elite 4200 or  Weaver 6-20x40 Grand Slam both of which are more expensive but for a target shooter would be a more enjoyable experience. If you are only going to shoot paper targets the 20x Super Sniper would be a better choice than the 10x SS at the same price - but that is only if you are just shooting paper (the exception is if you have an extreme long range need) because a fixed 20x is not friendly to use on things that move, at close range.

 

The Super Sniper is desgned to be used on heavy caliber rifles up to and including 50BMG.  If you need a tactical scope for tactical use where it will have to work reliably under adverse conditons because peoples lives depend on you being able to protect civilians as a designated marksman or military member the Super Sniper is a relatively low cost but functional tool entirely capable of the task - for that purpose I would not even remotely consider the 3200.

 

 

With the SS you loosen three hex screws and are able to re- adjust the turret just like my Leupold LR Mark 4 Tactical Scopes.  As for the Bushnell you better ask the company how or if it is possible to reset the dials to "0"  I see only a single hex screw on top and it may allow a re-set but you better ask before you start taking a new scope apart - so this is a point of concern for you to investigate before you buy.

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Thanks for the info guys.  I'll be buying a SS10X.

 

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Having never even seen a fixed Bushnell 3200, I think the smart play is the SS.

My SS is very nice and works like a charm.

 

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Sounds like its a SS for me.  Thanks for the help
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Wanted to chime in, and I will qualify up front that I have neither scope, this is second hand info. I was on another forum and a guy has the 3200 on a new prototype AR. He and another on the thread said the Bushnell has 85 MOA adjustment range. By the way you guys talk, this couldn't be true. WHat is the adjustment  range of the 3200 10x? They also stated it is the issued scope with the Barret .50 bolt action and also the New Barret 99 .416. It would have to be pretty rugged to stand up to that recoil. Anyway, as I stated, it is second hand info. That is about all I know about the 3200. Maybe some of you guys in the know can tell me if this info is correct or not...Thanks.
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http://www.bushnell.com/products/riflescopes/specs/32-1040m. cfm  100 MOA  "recoil tested to 1,000 rounds of a .375 H&H magnum. The 3200 offers everything the avid hunter requires. "   It's a HUNTING scope.

" one year warranty"

 

No it is not the issued scope with the Barret, possibly with the Daisy.

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You are indeed wrong urimaginaryfriend, it IS the standard issue scope for the Barrett 99, .416..link below.

 

http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles/rifles_m9916.htm

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Barrett M99 (Big Shot)

http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles/rifles_99.htm

Features and Accessories

  - Optical sight mount
  - Air/Watertight carrying case
  - Cleaning equipment
  - Detachable bipod with adjustable legs
  - Scope and Rings Priced Separately
  - Retail Price $3,675.00

Just because they mounted one on the rifle to take a photo doesn't mean its included - it probably should be for that price but if you look at this Barrrett link it specifically states "Scope and Rings Priced Separately" and the link you refer to states "Features and Accessories". (HMMM are the Accessories included or extra?) Buy one and let us know for sure.  I really dont think it will hold up to that kind of recoil for eaven a year so buy one -do a year long test and let us know.

 

"standard issue"   ???     by what agency?      by which branch of the service?   I don't think so.

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Did you even look at the link I posted????

 

Here are the specs from the page....geez

 

Barrett Model 99 .416

Features and Accessories

  - 40 Rounds of Barrett Head Stamped Ammunition
  - 10X x 40mm Bushnell 3200 Elite Scope
  - Barrett Adjustable Scope Rings
  - Custom Fitted Air/Watertight Hard Carrying Case
  - Cleaning kit
  - Suggested Retail Rrice: $ 3675.

 

I would call that "standard issue" by the Barrett agency....

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You pasted an entirely diffeferent page so you wouldn't be wrong...c'mon...

 

The link I posted is:  http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles/rifles_m9916.htm

 

Not the one you chose for your post. That is what O'Reilly would call 'spin'. It's not a sin to be wrong on occasion, you know.

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I looked at your link please note it reads "features and Accessories".   Most of the time accessories are not included sometimes they are included.  Upon searching the site I note first of all that many of their rifles are shown with scopes that are obviously not the 10x 3200 model as many are illuminated.  Same web site says " Scope and Rings Priced Seperately"  The meaning of that is obvious to me. I have bought lots of rifles but never one that had a scope included but there are some packages that do include scopes.

When you say "ISSUE" you alllege that either a law enforcement agency or military branch Issues this rifle with this scope - sorry but - no way.

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No, I do not allege military or law enforcement. It is standard issue by Barrett for that particular package. The Model 99 in .416 caliber clearly comes with this scope with this particular package. If you want to believe it doesn't, that's your perogative but It does not say it's option, it says it is one of the accessories of that particular package. I just found it quite peculiar that you would bypass the link that I provided to go to another rifle package they offer to validate your side.
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Sorry to be a party pooper, but it's WAY past my bedtime. Thanks for the debate, haven't had one of those in a while....
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There - I wrote Barrett and asked them. 

 

        Who knows you may be right they may give you a free $200 scope with each $3675 rifle but the reason  I don't think they do is because  Barrets site says " Scope and Rings Priced Seperately". 

 

       The point is still this  - I have looked at the 10x  Bushnell 3200 and I have no desire to own one - it is not in the same class as the Super Sniper 20x that I have, and we know the U.S. Military purchases the Super Sniper repeatedly. If you like the Bushnell that's OK.   I happen to like my Leupold Mark 4  10x M3 and I hope my 10x42M Super Sniper that was shipped 4-7-06 gets here tomorrow. For that matter I have no desire to own a Barrett, I  would rather spend the same money at Tac Ops or GA Precision on a .308

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I admit that I have never owned an Elite series by Bushnell, but I hear they are a pretty decent scope. I have never been a big fan of Bushnell personally, because with most of their other models I agree with you. You are correct that with most, if not all,  other Barrett .50 cal packages it does say "scope and rings sold separately." But not on the particular one I referenced. Look at the features below and tell me though....Do you think, looking at the features and accessories, when you order this particular rifle package, that you will not get the ammo, the carrying case and the cleaning kit also? After all, they are listed as a "feature and accessory." Of course they will come with the rifle, it says right there it comes as part of this particular package. Anyway, enough arguing over this point. My point to this is if Barrett is confident enough to ship it with their rifle, it must be a decent scope. Doesn't mean I am going to run get one. Myself, I prefer variable power scopes. And I have never said it is better than the SS, I have seen way more rave reviews about the SS. Can't recall seeing any over this particular scope(Elite 3200)

Barrett Model 99 .416

Features and Accessories

  - 40 Rounds of Barrett Head Stamped Ammunition
  - 10X x 40mm Bushnell 3200 Elite Scope
  - Barrett Adjustable Scope Rings
  - Custom Fitted Air/Watertight Hard Carrying Case
  - Cleaning kit
  - Suggested Retail Rrice: $ 3675.

 

 

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I called Barrett at 615-896-2938 and asked if the Model 99 .416 package came standard with the accessories listed on the website and the nice lady said it does. I made sure to ask about the scope in particular, and asked if it would need to be ordered separately. She said definitely not, it came with the package. I asked if any other of their rifles came with this scope, and she said not that she was aware of, without ordering separately anyway.
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Surprise!!! you are - RIGHT - Barrett includes a POS $200 scope with the purchase of that specific $3675 package. What a failure on their part. (Makes me wonder if they tried to save money on the other parts in their rifle like the extractor - ouch.)  Did you read the other thread about the guy that bought the 10x 3200 Bushnell and couldn't get it to hold Zero. Next year Barrett is probably comming out with a Tasco 3-9 world class package for those of you who really need a variable for your rocket launcher - err - Barrett.  What do you shoot with your .50 cal or .416 Barret anyway? Do you ever have a problem with over penetration?   I have to be accountable for the ammo the state issues me.  Doesn't it get a little heavy?  For some reason I just cant see carrying a Barrett 50 and 100 rounds of ammo stalking through the woods, the heat of Iraq or anywhere you couldn't drive to, but then they saved a lot of weight by putting that scope on it, I 'd have to have Samsonite luggage with wheels for the ammo alone. That still doesn't change the fact that it's not U.S. Government "ISSUE".  Meanwhile back at the ranch the Super Sniper is U.S. Government "ISSUE"  Go Figure.

 

Kind of like "Buy a DeLorien get a free Coke".  I know I'll have to explain that one to the youngsters here - (Once upon a time there was a manufacturer of stainless steel high dollar sports cars by the name DeLorien and the guy that owned the company got busted for possession of Cocaine resulting in the end of  production - so there was a joke in the law enforcement community "Buy a DeLorien get a free Coke".

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I have no use for a rifle of the big bore, far reaching Barrett genre. I'm not in the military or law enforcement and do not shoot ultra long distances competitively, thus no need for it. I just made a statement from some second hand info I had come across pertaining to this thread. I wasn't trying to piss you off, just wanted to get the facts. Turns out the info was half right, comes with the .416 but not the .50. I am sure price was a factor when including the 3200 with this rifle. The only reason I mentioned it was I couldn't see a highly regarded company like Barrett putting a piece of crap bb gun scope on one of these fierce weapons.

Ah, the DeLorean...I remember my local chevy dealer had a couple of those funky stainless steel cars and parts for sale. People from all over Texas and Oklahoma would call him for parts or panels when they had problems or a wreck.

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Charllie70 you didn't piss me off actually I got a good laugh out of it when I found out that Barrett really includes that scope in any package. I  later heard that Barrett wanted another scope as their first choice but wanted to keep the cost down and were unwilling to pay over $150 per unit.(I'm waiting for the package with the Tasco 3-9 world class) I think it was a poor choice on their part because it makes you wonder where else they went the cheap route. I have looked at the scope and I didn't really care for it, but I'm rather picky about my optics. If by any chance you are considering purchasing that scope you might call SWFA and ask if they have any customers that have purchased that particular model who are on opticstalk and PM them to see what their evaluation of it is - (better to ask someone who has one what they like and dont like about it).  The one year only warranty worries me when even Burris gives a lifetime warranty.  I would also ask about the issue of re-setting the turret to "0" as that is rather important. Also I over exaggerate when I call it a BB gun scope there are probably a lot of guys that have them and like them but it is really not in the same class as the high end tactical scopes, interestingly enough the Super Sniper  10x42 is in the same class the glass is clear and sharp the turrets are crisp precise clicks and a real pleasure to use. Fixed power scopes are by nature relatively tough because they have less parts .
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I'm sure most people who throw down nearly $3700 for a rifle of this class are going to want a slightly higher end piece of glass on it. Hell, if I laid down that much cash, I would want a Nightforce, S&B or something along those lines on there. I got this info from a forum about the 6.5 Grendel as I have one on order and am waiting shipment. One of the guys happened to have this scope on a prototype. I didn't realize the scope was that cheaply priced and it surprised me too.

Oh, no I am not looking to get one. I have a Weaver 3-9 x 40mm Tactical waiting to be attached to the Grendel upon arrival.

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Weaver makes a good solid scope especially the Grand Slam series. They have been around a long time and are a good value for the money.

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