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 The rifle is a rem. 700 .308. I'd like to try shooting out to 1k yards. Most of this will be shooting from the top of a hill to the top of another hill in the Kiamichi Mountains in Oklahoma. It's about the only place close that i can shoot this far. I'd really prefer the 16x as my eyes are starting to get a little old now and will probably need glasses in the next year or so.
  Will i need a 20+MOA base for this distance ? Will need a recommendation for that.
 
  My budget for this scope,base,rings,flip-ups and ARD is $450. Any help is appreciated.
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You are going to need more money. Badger rings and + 20moa base is the right way to go but if you are taking the cheap way out Warne rings and base.  A .308 is about a 750 yd gun after which the bullet will be sub sonic and develop some instability but it will get to 1000 you just loose some consistency past 750. Now lets assume your rem 700 has been action trued,  and glass bedded etc etc by GAPrecision or Tac Ops or another competent gunsmith  and that the rifle itself is really up to the task (most are not).  The difference between the 10x the 16x and the 20x Super Sniper is that the higher power scopes are better used in bright daylight and the 10x will be noticibly brighter in the evening. An IOR 6x42 would be brighter than the 10x with the same 42mm objective. The advantage of a variable power scope is that you can use the higher power when there is light and dial it down as it gets dark or when you need to use it for hunting or at closer distance. I have had the 20x Super Sniper and it looks a little grey at dusk but it is still useable. The 10 x is often prefered by most users and 10x at 1000 yds will look like 1x at 100 yds.  The Super Sniper has a great deal of internal adjustment and you may not need the plus 20 moa base with it but it would be better to have it. 
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Thanks for the info. The rifle is just an older 700  .308 w/heavy varmint barrel,no accurizing done on it. It's sitting in a Hogue Pillar bedded stock. I might just have to live without the base then as money is really way too tight being a single dad/ full time college student. This is a father/daughter project for us to get into long range shooting.  
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phideaux,

My recommendation for what it's worth, is go with the 10X SS....  299.95

 
for rings... 54.95
 
for mounts....17.95
 
total 372.85 plus shipping
 
forget about the ARD you dont need it, use the sun shade. toss in a set of flip ups and your still under budget.    The burris ring and mounts will work fine, your not tossin' this rifle into a dragbag or kickin' the crap out of it, the set up will work great.    IMHO
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

phideaux,

My recommendation for what it's worth, is go with the 10X SS....  299.95

 
for rings... 54.95
 
for mounts....17.95
 
total 372.85 plus shipping
 
forget about the ARD you dont need it, use the sun shade. toss in a set of flip ups and your still under budget.    The burris ring and mounts will work fine, your not tossin' this rifle into a dragbag or kickin' the crap out of it, the set up will work great.    IMHO


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That's about the most cost-efficient way to go.

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another 10X vote here as well.
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Im not sure I wouldnt opt for the plus 20 moa Badger base and go cheap on the rings with either the Warne or the Burris extreme tactical rings. You can go back later and add the Badger rings.
 
 My daughter with 20x Super Sniper on accurised Rem 700 PSS:


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Wes, your dead on with the extra 20 MOA base, and if you leave the scope zeroed at 1000 yards you might  start having problems with the inards of the scope. But 36 MOA is well inside the SS range. But the extra 150.00 bucks for the badgers base is a deal breaker for me.  I know you've got tons of experience with super snipers too, more than me, so I know you'll agree with me when I say he'll have no problems with the set up.  phideaux if you can get  someone to do some reloading for you, try 155gr. A-max's over 44.7grs of Varget with BR-2 primers.  2700 fps at the muzzle out of a 26 in. barrel, and still super sonic at 1000. 

well I was about to tell you to break a golden rule of reloading. (don't)  always work up to a max load that's not max for the load but it works great out of my 700.

Good Shooting!!!!   Thunbs%20Up
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

Wes, your dead on with the extra 20 MOA base, and if you leave the scope zeroed at 1000 yards you might  start having problems with the inards of the scope. But 36 MOA is well inside the SS range. But the extra 150.00 bucks for the badgers base is a deal breaker for me.  I know you've got tons of experience with super snipers too, more than me, so I know you'll agree with me when I say he'll have no problems with the set up.  phideaux if you can get  someone to do some reloading for you, try 155gr. A-max's over 44.7grs of Varget with BR-2 primers.  2700 fps at the muzzle out of a 26 in. barrel, and still super sonic at 1000. 

well I was about to tell you to break a golden rule of reloading. (don't)  always work up to a max load that's not max for the load but it works great out of my 700.

Good Shooting!!!!   Thunbs%20Up
 
the set up a few posts up looks like what i'll go with. hope they have the 10x SS in stock. thanks for that info. I can do the reloading myself,been reloading 35+ years. I've never tried Varget powder,but i sure will. The load i have in mind now will use H-4895 and 175 gr. SMK's, but i'll definately try the Varget and A-Max bullets. Thanks for all the help and keeping me in my budget  Excellent
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I have not had as much time shooting long range with 308 as many others here, but in my experience 155gr match bullets retained their velocity better than anything else I tried.  Both A-max and Lapua Scenar are very good.

ILya
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yeah.....i can see how the 155's would  work pretty good. I already have a few boxes of 175 SMK's and a few pounds of 4895 on hand. Will i need low or medium rings when using the Burris 2 piece base on the Rem 700 ?
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Either would work fine, I think, depending on the shape of your face and of the riflestock.

ILya
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just called.......10x back ordered till the end of the month

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