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Hi!'

Looking for an service manual for the  SA 6-20x56 gov.model. Apparently Carl Zeiss made them for Springfield in the USA.

The illuminated reticle has stopped lighting up as a wire as come loose inside. I have tried Zeiss but they

have not even answered. Anyone taken one apart?


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Negative on taking one apart.  My understanding is it is difficult. 

The scopes were made by HAKKO of Japan.  There is a company here in the US that repairs them... don't have the info with me right now. 


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Below is the official repair facility for Springfield Armory Rifle Scopes:


ABO (USA), INC.

14041 SW 139th Ct

Miami, FL 33186

 

 

 

(305)860-4858 - Customer Service line

(305)232-7359 - Fax

 

www.abousainc.com <http://www.abousainc.com/
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Hi Kick boxer,


Like your Tasmanian devil, reminds me a bit of the wife.

Many thanks for the info, your right about it being difficult, as retired microscope technician I thought it would well with in my capabilities' but I think they were designed not to come apart, after assembly.

I have made a note of the repairer in the states and thanks again  for your kind reply.


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Acker… I'm sure repair was meant for Hakko, or similar, facilities only.  A while back I sat down with an individual who builds and rebuilds scopes for a living… he would not tackle a teardown of the SA.  
Everything works well with mine, until I have to adjust az or el.  "Clicks" are inconsistent.  Once I get it adjusted, I can hold over with the reticle and everything is great.  If I have to rezero, it can be a chore.  I'm sending mine to ABO soon.

I hope they can take care of whatever problems you have.  The SA was a scope ahead of its time.  I really like mine, even with its peculiar deficiencies.  Getting it fixed is a high priority with me.  Once again, I can use it successfully, but really want everything to be "100%".


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Hi Kick Boxer,

I take on board your kind comments but in my experience, anything that's put together must come a part. Its just finding the secret but this scope could be the exception.

So far I have tried, from the objective end and this is straight forward but does allow access to the zoom system where the reticle and illuminated prism are mounted. I have removed both zero turrets, this does not allow access either, as does not the rheostat, I have unscrewed the eye piece assembly and exposed the top end of the tube I want to get out.

But there does appear to be anyway to pull it out of the main tube, as in other scopes, as the zero control does not come of the tube, even after removing the fixing screw. There is a brass slotted threaded fixing ring around the neck but this just goes round and round, not doing anything. A real Chinese puzzle.

So this where I am stuck, If I manage to unlock the secret I will inform every on the forum but if you hear of my sudden demise, you know the reason. Many thanks for your kind interest.Whacko

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Definitely a puzzle.  
Perhaps a phone call and/or email to ABO and they would assist.  At least they might tell you if repairs beyond the point you've already been are even possible.  
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Hi Kick boxer,

Up date on Springfield rifle scope as promised. It appears, the zoom mechanism tube I was trying to remove from the main body, is swaged in at the eyepiece end, with a brass bushing that allows it a bit of flexibility to be moved about by the zero controls.

It cannot be removed from the main body, undamaged so any repairs, to the zoom, illumination prism or change of reticle pattern, is impossible on this instrument.

So, it means I will have to use it without an illuminated reticle, it still is a good bit of kit, however, shame about the design.

It appears, most scopes put together since the sixties, are "disposables" rather than repairable. I think I will stick to the vintage stuff.

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That is unfortunate, but as I suspected.  I know everyone I ever knew of who sent one in, SA was still selling them, got a replacement.  
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WOW...was this ever targeted to my question!  i love the 6-20x56 gov.model scope and how it "gathers light" (seems like i read that is not a phrase that is appropriate...but when i couldn't see anything @ a twilight-ish time, the deer were really easy to see via the scope).  It is a great daytime scope but the illumination has failed.  Does anyone have a ballpark guess on what it would cost to have ABO repair this?  $100? $200? With my bad eyes i will need something that gathers light the way this one does.  I sent ABO a request for a ball park but expect a "pack it up, send it and $90 and we'll get back to you...someday". I  purchased this and a blueprinted Rem 700 in 308 from an ex-navy seal (added box mag) so no warranty claim.
Any guidance would be appreciated.
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I do not know.  

The illumination in that scope is what got me started liking illuminated scopes.  First one I ever found that actually worked like illumination is supposed to work.  
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Hi,

I tried to repair a broken wire connecting the illumination system on a Springfield scope, same model, but I could not get out the zoom system that the wires that are connected to reticle illuminator in the first focal plane at the front.

I gave up in the end. If you can find someone who can it apart you could be on a winner. They are actually made by the Japanese company called Hakko. I think the whole zoom system is swaged in to the main tube.


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Hakko will no longer provide any service.  At least I contacted Hakko and they sent me to ABO.
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If you want a scope with excellent light gathering properties try and find a "Pecar of Berlin" now out of business, unfortunately. They come up on EBay now and then.

The whole construction is a joy, It has an interchangeable reticle system, that can be removed just by undoing two bolts, unscrewed and replaced. The whole scope can be taken down easily, beautifully simple.

The optics are all coated with anti-glare (MnFl2) and it is very robust, not easily affected by high power stuff. Though not gassed with NO2 it seems water tight.

Just a thought if you cannot get the Springfield repaired.

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Scopes do not "gather" light… they only transmit it.  
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Quite right Sir!

 "Light gathering" is a layman's term used to describe the better light transmission of certain lens systems that have higher resolution than other systems in low light conditions of use. Due to surface coatings, of the objective lens, of non-reflective material and FK-7 specification flint and crown glass doublets.

But I guess you already knew this and was just objecting to the expression.Wink



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