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I am looking to upgrade my leupold wind river spotting scope to something that has better resolution.  What can I expect from a Leupold Gold ring 45x, swaro 60 power, Nikon 82mmED or Zeiss?  Can I see 30 cal. bullet holes at 500 yards?  Right now I'm limited to 300 yards, and even that is not clear.  My tactical 20x scope will see the holes more clearly than my 45x spotting scope.  I can actually see the holes better when I turn the scope down to 20-25 power.  My question is, how much better are the $1,000 + scopes?  How far can you see bullet holes in white paper on a clear day?  Do they help defeat the mirage or is that still an issue?  If you have one of these high end scopes, please tell me what type it is and how far you can see bullet holes with it.

 

 

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Daniel -

 

I have looked through both a Zeiss 85mm Diascope and a 65mm/80mm Swaro ATS.  Any one of these will suit your application.  I don't have experience looking at bullet holes at such distances, but I do like to read signage letters at long range from my back porch. 

 

I ended up buying a Swaro ATS 65mm HD spotter.  With the power at 60x, you should have no problem seeing a 30 cal bullet hole in white paper out to 500 yards...likely much further.  The HD version is designed specifically with mirage reduction in mind, along with truer color fidelity.

 

The biggest benefit of spending more $$$ on spotting scopes is they give you much better resolution at higher powers, which seems to be exactly what you are looking for.

 

I will play around with mine over the next couple of days and try and get you a more concrete answer. 

 

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Daniel

 

The really high end scopes are the so-called "team scopes" but nobody I know even wants to know how much they cost.

 

A lot of High Power shooters use a Konus scope that compares very favorably to the Kowa $1200-$1500 scopes. I wish SWFA would stock the Konus. It is the SuperSniper of the spotting world. Both will resolve holes in white at 300 yards IF the mirage is not too bad. Nothing helps with mirage.

 

Most high end scopes use 27 to 35X eyepieces for best resolution. Higher magnification yields more distortion and usually less than acceptable results. To see farther with greater clarity you need objective lens size - 100mm or better. You can go overboard though. I took my astronomical scope to the range one day (all 175 lbs of it!) We had good clear air that day with cool temps and we could resolve the 1 inch bolt heads on top of a commercial radio tower that was over 2 miles away. But 10 inch mirror scopes are way overkill.

 

JMHO anyway    Pete

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what does  "It is the SuperSniper of the spotting world." mean?

 

 

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SuperSniper is a tatical scope that sells for around $300.

People like it for the price.

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Resolution is somewhat related to objective size. Dollar for performance, you may find that you do just as well with a mid grade scope with a larger objective than the highest grade scope with a smaller. 
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Originally posted by PeteC PeteC wrote:

Nothing helps with mirage.

 

Not even diamond coated gold rimmed platinum studded cranberry flavored HD glass.

 

 

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Originally posted by Graysteel Graysteel wrote:

Resolution is somewhat related to objective size. Dollar for performance, you may find that you do just as well with a mid grade scope with a larger objective than the highest grade scope with a smaller. 

 

Resolution is somewhat related to objective size, but only when you compare apples with apples.

My 50 mm ED Nikon has a resolution waaaay better than a 80 mm Bushnell that i recently looked through.

You do get what you pay for in optics. We could argue about what is a better scope, a $1800 Swaro or a $1400 Kowa, but premium grade is premium grade, and mid-range quality is mid-range, and that's how things go.

If you want the bid dog daddy performance, get the big dog daddy scope. 



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Originally posted by PeteC PeteC wrote:

 

Most high end scopes use 27 to 35X eyepieces for best resolution. Higher magnification yields more distortion and usually less than acceptable results.

 

Truth ye spoke man!

 

Call me crazy but i see best with the Swaarovski 80 HD and the 20x eyepiece on it. I mean, better than the same scope with the zoom eyepiece cranked at 50X.

 

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