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DIT: the first part got lost somehow:

Last night as dusk turned to dark I tested some scopes behind my house.
There is a big field behind my house and last night 3 does were out there from about 50-125 yards walking around feeding.  I was also using a red lensed Qbeam when it got completely dark as we hunt hogs under red lights.

Scopes:
Burris Eurodiamond 1.5-6x40 with Ill Germam # 4 reticle
Bushnell 4200 1.25-4x24 with Ill Germam # 4 reticle
ACOG TA33 3x30 with red chevron
Eotech
Weaver 4x32 shotgun scope

The Burris was hands down the clearest and brightest, not really surprising
the Weaver was brighter than the 4200
the ACOG is cool for a compromise scope of magnification, light weight, quickness on target and illumination, they have they down, from the fiber optic self adjusting to the Tritium reticle

One thing I liked on the Burris the best is that the reticle when lit is not overpowering, conversely, it's useless in the day but that's not that important unless you want Eotech or Aimpoint quickness.
The 4200 was overpowering even at the lowest setting.
I bought and returned a Meopta 1-4 Kdot over the weekend as it was totally overpowering for night/low light hunting (great in the day though)



The Eotech of course was the worst as night fell and trying to be able to take a shot at much past 75 yards.. with the red light on at 50-70 I could have taken a heart/lung shot but wouldn't have tried a headshot (not that you should under those conditions)

The ACOG is cool for being such a light little scope and they have the reticle illumination down, would feel more confident with it than the Eotech but it was no where near the Burris as for brightness, clarity (at night) and would take a heart/lung shot further out than the Eotech

this is all in search of the perfect optic for a 6.8 upper, I want it all
light and fast for stalking, good optics for stand hunting and night hunting for hogs, done with red lights at night sometimes...

ideally (money not considered) an Eotech and the Burris with Larue QR mounts with a precise RTZ is the best setup to get it all...

Edited by ccoker - May/22/2008 at 10:14
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I'm still thinking the 6.8 is a little light for hogs how is it working out for you, I think I would be happier with a .308 and what I would really like for hogs is a 45-70 in a lever action Marlin. As for the scope I'm thinking you might look at the Trijicon Accupoint scopes 2.5-10x56 or the 1.25-4 , I was really impressed with them when I looked at them. I just dont think you want very much magnification but an objective large enough to give you a 7mm exit eye pupil is the ticket.  I'd also look at the 4x IOR hunting scope and the new 2.5-10 Bushnell 4200 with illuminated 4a reticle.  Surely one of those should fit your needs.
Also I figured out that Lupold Custom will do a VX III  in the 1.5-5x20 illuminated german #4 with M1 tactical knobs on it  - you would be down around 3x to get a 7mm exit eye pupil but it would be a great scope for an AR especially with Kenton speed dial knobs.


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It's interesting to see other peoples point of view and options for choosing optics and calibers for hog hunting, as we can see there are many options that can work.
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My hog gun --Marlin 1895 SS in 45/70 topped with a 4200 1.5 -6 .. loaded up with Buffalo Bore's 350 grain JSP at 2150fps...it'll "get'r done " ..
 
works on just about anything out to 200 yds...
 
If you're gonna use an AR -- Instead of the 6.8 spc,I suppose you could give the new 450 Bushmaster a try -- seems to duplicate the typical magnum muzzleloader ( 250 gr SST at 2100fps ) ... should whack'em pretty good.


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Never been hog hunting, but sure would like to go.  There are a few around in NC, but not enough to make a sport of it.  Most of those are ones that have gotten loose and turned wild.  In fact, I do not even think the state recognizes a season for hogs.
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I have a guide gun 45/70 with a Leupold Scout scope that was setup as a hog gun and i hand load 405g hardcast for it.. it works well

also have a 308 and 270 bolt action

I like the idea of a semi auto, on the 6.8 forum there's a guy that's killed a ton of them, he's a guide in south Texas, runs Barnes 110g and they punch right through em, even shoulder shots..  a 6.8 loaded on the hot side is just shy of a 270.  Several others on there are using the 6.8 as well...

What I am searching for is something that works well for stalking and fast shots (like the Eotech) as well as have the light "gathering" and magnification of a good scope

I have a Kahles CL 3-10x50 and a Zeiss Conquest and have compared the Burris against them at low light.. it's a NICE scope

the 1.5-6 zoom is ideal and I may just stick with the Burris, though the Eotech is lighter and faster for stalking

I don't like traditional scope mounting on a lever action, tried it several times and just don't care for it...  one option would be the full length rail option from XS that would allow a scope to be placed anywhere and use the Trijicon 1.25-4 which requires a lot of eye relief and the scope could be pushed forward more so that a standard one

Some hunting info on the 68 forum
http://www.68forums.com/viewforum.php?f=11


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.458 Lott. As a matter of fact, has become my "weapon of choice" for all game, "big game", anything not considered predator or varmint...and might even try it on a few of those. HEAVY on the pocket book, though. In the .50BMG price/round range.   
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Thanks for your observations ccoker.
 
Surprising to see the Bushnell listed 3rd for brightness would have thought it would fare better.
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

.458 Lott. As a matter of fact, has become my "weapon of choice" for all game, "big game", anything not considered predator or varmint...and might even try it on a few of those. HEAVY on the pocket book, though. In the .50BMG price/round range.   
 Reload and it will be a lot cheaper.  I have a CZ in a 458 Winchester and it has never seen factory ammo.  Have it loaded with 350 grain Hornady RNs bullets for hunting black bear this season.
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With over 70 hogs killed over many years using a 300 Win. and now a 300 WSM, I would make for a somewhat and reasonably experienced hog assassin!....Pig..............For the smaller to medium sized hogs, I consider a 6.8 with the right bullet to be ok for  use on them. You can always pump another in quickly with an AR if needed!..............I`m also surprised that the 4200 didn`t fare better either! Out here in Calif. though, I have never hunted hogs at night. Don`t need to!.......................The 30 cal. 165 & 180 gr. SST`s are devastating on all sizes of hogs and Pig eeeees!!!! 
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

With over 70 hogs killed over many years using a 300 Win. and now a 300 WSM, I would make for a somewhat and reasonably experienced hog assassin!....Pig..............For the smaller to medium sized hogs, I consider a 6.8 with the right bullet to be ok for  use on them. You can always pump another in quickly with an AR if needed!..............I`m also surprised that the 4200 didn`t fare better either! Out here in Calif. though, I have never hunted hogs at night. Don`t need to!.......................The 30 cal. 165 & 180 gr. SST`s are devastating on all sizes of hogs and Pig eeeees!!!! 


If you do hunt at night in Cali, don't get caught, DFG will come down hard. The one half hour before sunrise to one half hour after sunset rule applies. DFG has more authority than most other agencies, one can loose their toys, car, even house.  Dead  We went fly-fishing last week and my buddy forgot to crimp the bard on the fly he was using. Got nailed, read the riot act, bullied big time, threatened he was going to loose all his equipment including truck, etc. etc., finally just given a ticket. Sad


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this guy down in south Texas has killed about 30 with a 6.8 and the 110 Barnes load..
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Never been hog hunting, but sure would like to go.  There are a few around in NC, but not enough to make a sport of it.  Most of those are ones that have gotten loose and turned wild.  In fact, I do not even think the state recognizes a season for hogs.
 
 Used to do alot of HOG hunting here when I was young .... I'd ride through town and throw out some corn on each street corner and come back by and see what was rooting ... loose change worked better . Bucky
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

.458 Lott. As a matter of fact, has become my "weapon of choice" for all game, "big game", anything not considered predator or varmint...and might even try it on a few of those. HEAVY on the pocket book, though. In the .50BMG price/round range.   

 Reload and it will be a lot cheaper.  I have a CZ in a 458 Winchester and it has never seen factory ammo.  Have it loaded with 350 grain Hornady RNs bullets for hunting black bear this season.

Roger that, I just have not had the time to get back into reloading. I would prefer to, but am just too time limited. While posting, I am also performing, though not very efficiently I guess, work related stuff. Multi-tasking, so to speak. Cannot do that while reloading ammo... full attention job.
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Originally posted by ccoker ccoker wrote:

this guy down in south Texas has killed about 30 with a 6.8 and the 110 Barnes load..

Last hog was killed with .220 Swift... instant drop. I just got the .458. Have not hog hunted with it yet, but will do so 1st/last weekends in June (in Texas, BTW). Many good calibers to take down the feral pigs, but after the effect I saw deer hunting with the Lott this year, just have to go hog hunting with it. And anything else I get to hunt. Really LOVE the Lott.
Was there an optics question on this thread? I forgot...sorry.
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220 swift, good stuff
my dad has had a TON of rifles over the years, the one he has kept through it all is a 66 Sako 22-250, anything in Texas is dead if he puts the crosshairs on it...
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well if the weaver is brighter than the 4200 its also brighter than the zeiss conquest as well, and im doubting that its brighter than either of the two scopes i mentioned.
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I'm rather surprised as well. Interesting to say the least.
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A lot more light can enter a 40mm vs a 32mm vs a 24mm. Had the 4200 been a similar objective then I would have been suprised. The 40mm has 2.78 times the surface area of the 24mm  to gather light with, and 1.56 times greater surface than the 32mm .
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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

A lot more light can enter a 40mm vs a 32mm vs a 24mm. Had the 4200 been a similar objective then I would have been suprised. The 40mm has 2.78 times the surface area of the 24mm  to gather light with, and 1.56 times greater surface than the 32mm .
true, im saying all things equal, the  4200 should be better
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

.458 Lott. As a matter of fact, has become my "weapon of choice" for all game, "big game", anything not considered predator or varmint...and might even try it on a few of those. HEAVY on the pocket book, though. In the .50BMG price/round range.   

 Reload and it will be a lot cheaper.  I have a CZ in a 458 Winchester and it has never seen factory ammo.  Have it loaded with 350 grain Hornady RNs bullets for hunting black bear this season.

Roger that, I just have not had the time to get back into reloading. I would prefer to, but am just too time limited. While posting, I am also performing, though not very efficiently I guess, work related stuff. Multi-tasking, so to speak. Cannot do that while reloading ammo... full attention job.
Yeah, I know the deal.  I have only loaded about 40 cartridges for my rifle and shot about 12 to get it sighted in.  With a full time job it is tough to do every thing you want to do.  Some times it is more cost effective just to buy factory ammo, if ultimate accuracy is not your thing, when your shooting habits are minimal and limited to an occasional hunt.  Points well taken.
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