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http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/8891395/

Hunter tells 911 dispatcher his friend shot Bragg soldier

A Fort Bragg soldier whose body was found Saturday on a public hiking and biking trail on post was accidentally shot by a hunter, according to a 911 call released Thursday.

Capt. Jeremiah D. Sipes, 33, of Belgrade, Mont., died of a single gunshot wound, Army officials have said.

A spokesman for the Army's Criminal Investigative Command, which is looking into Sipes' death, said Wednesday that a hunter found Sipes' body near the intersection of Plank and King roads at the western edge of Fort Bragg. The Army hasn't declared the death a hunting accident, but the spokesman said they were looking into that possibility.

The man who called 911 shortly before 11 a.m. Saturday was out of breath and upset during the two-minute call.

"We got an emergency here on Fort Bragg. We got a guy that's been shot," the caller said. "It's (on the) All American Trail. We were in here hunting, and a guy was running down the fire break. We jumped a deer, and this guy with me shot him, shot the guy. We need some help quick."

In hunting parlance, "jumping a deer" means to spook an animal so it will run.

All American Trail is closed to the public during deer hunting season, which runs Oct. 2 through Jan. 1, the day of the shooting, according to Fort Bragg officials. Signs at each trail head and online to note the closures, officials said.

It was unclear if Sipes might have accessed the trail in an area where there were no signs.

Fort Bragg spokesman Tom McCollum said such an incident has never happened before, and officials are reviewing policies to help prevent similar incidents from occurring in the future.

"What we're starting to do is look at all of our safety procedures. What can we do to ensure a situation like this doesn't happen again?" McCollum said.

Sipes, a graduate of Montana State University, was the squadron intelligence officer for 5th Squadron, 73rd Cavalry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team. He is survived by his wife, Heather, and two children, Hallie and Kellan

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  Guess it's another "animal was in between hunter and victim" shooting.  B*LL SH*T!!!!!!!!!!!
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A classic case of not knowing whats behind your target or knowing your target at all for that matter.
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 First off,my thoughts and prayers for his family.
 
  Your 1/2 right. Some A**HOLE screwed up BIG TIME(failed to identify his target)and needs to pay BIG TIME.
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I really don't understand how this can happen, I can't fathom pulling the trigger on something I cannot Identifiy.  My thoughts go out to the family. 
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  The medical profession has even come up with a psychological condition to give the shooters an excuse for target misidentification.
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

I really don't understand how this can happen, I can't fathom pulling the trigger on something I cannot Identifiy.  My thoughts go out to the family. 
 
This.
 
Thanks for giving the grabbers another soap box to stand on when they cry about gun violence, Dude. These kind of "accidents" are unfathomable too me.   
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Tragic.  Im sure it will result in severe restrictions on hunting on Ft. Bragg and likely other bases.  Classic tunnel vision - they see what they are looking at - (the running deer) and ignore everything else.  I really prefer to hunt like a bow hunter from an elevated stand taking time to identify and evaluate the potential target. My heart goes out to his family.
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 Truth is in too many if not most cases they think they see what they are looking at. 
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Breaks my heart for that poor soldier and his family... pisses me off to be a member of the "human race" who can be so DAMNED STUPID.  The "trigger puller", I won't dignify him or denegrate the rest of us by calling him a hunter, should be turned over to the soldier's family for whatever disposition they want to impose.  I don't care what they do or don't do, as long as they consider that justice is served...
I am SO TIRED of this kind of garbage...
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This is truly sad. The fact that he was killed by a senseless hunter makes even worse. Now anti-gun individuals will be eating this up like cake, and the military will impose special/strict laws/training on individuals on post or individuals wanting to hunt on post. 




Sir, rest in peace.
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  Another sad truth is that the penalty administered for these types of shootings amount to nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
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That hits close to home here.  Lot of people here in the Gallatin valley know who he is.

A few questions I would have, is why the hell were they shooting if they didn't have a positive id on the animal?  People who shoot without knowing their target and what is behind for as far as you can see and sometimes even when you can't see behind the hill really really piss me off.  Loose canons like that should not be in the field, let alone on a military base.

And as much as I hate to ask it, what was he doing running in a closed area?
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My heart and prayers go out to his family.
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I agree with Helo. The runner was not supposed to be there. 40% against the shooter but also 60% on the runner. These areas have some very heavy cover. At best, getting a shot is only a split second window. Shots may rarely exceed 25 yds because of visibility. Sure If he was out west on some of the wide open bases then much more blame on the shooter. The runner was not under any pressure to choose to ignore the keep out signs. He made the choice to place himself in harms way.
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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

I agree with Helo. The runner was not supposed to be there. 40% against the shooter but also 60% on the runner. These areas have some very heavy cover. At best, getting a shot is only a split second window. Shots may rarely exceed 25 yds because of visibility. Sure If he was out west on some of the wide open bases then much more blame on the shooter. The runner was not under any pressure to choose to ignore the keep out signs. He made the choice to place himself in harms way.
 
I respectfully disagree that the runner is at fault here. The soldier was ON a ginormous military installation, where people abound. Why he was in a closed area, is curious, I admit, but if another hunter was shot walking to a tree stand by this dude, would he still not be liable?? 
 
ID'ing your target should be the FIRST priority of any hunter. Shooting at "sumfin that moved" is inexcusable, IMO.
My life long firearms instructor, call sign "Dad", concurs with me.


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  I to must respectfully disagree,Lile.  110% of the responsibilty lies with the person holding the weapon.  Only they can make the irresponsible shooting happen.
 
  Let me ask y'all this.  How much of a probability do you think there is of a target being in the EXACT LINE OF FIRE between the shooter and his victim at the time they shoot? 
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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

These areas have some very heavy cover. At best, getting a shot is only a split second window. Shots may rarely exceed 25 yds because of visibility. 
 
I'd also submit that in and around the Ft. Bragg area is comprised mostly of mile after mile of pine trees and not as thicket ridden nor dense as the areas west of there, like where I hunt in the hardwoods.
Totally different terrain.
 
I was actually in Fayetteville last week and saw this story on WRAL TV.  
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 Originally posted by 3_tens

These areas have some very heavy cover. At best, getting a shot is only a split second window. Shots may rarely exceed 25 yds because of visibility. 
 
 
  And there it is.  You have a hyped up hunter who ACTUALLY DOES see the object in his view as the game he's persuing.
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I don't think that it is a good idea to be shooting at game in dense cover where there may be other hunters about.  You can't see other hunters.  Other hunters ought to say:  I ain't gonna be out there because people are shooting willy-nilly at game in heavy cover. 
 
I like a little room around me when I am hunting.  
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   Yep,safety should be your #1 priority in all the details involved in and when hunting.  But sometimes it doesn't work.
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Saying it's the runners fault is like saying a person who gets killed while standing on a sidewalk by a plane crash is at fault for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

If you aren't 100% sure, you don't shoot. It's that simple.
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The trail he was running on was a shortcut from one place to another.... very VERY popular but it is marked during season not to use it.   THat said a lot of folks have been saying the signs where pulled on the last day of the year in some areas because they thought the season went out the last day of 2010 when it actually when out at dark + 30 on the 1st.
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There are probably a lot of questions that will never be answered, and I feel for his family.  They had his funeral here today.  Can't imagine the pain his wife and two children are going through.  

I fault the hunter for not checking for clear shot first.  Other questions linger in my mind as to how things happened.  There are actions and choices made that led up to the accident, that unfortunately may have been bad or wrong choices.  I also feel for the hunter.  To accidentally shoot someone would suck.

Hopefully it will cause other hunters (us and others) to be more careful before our shots and pay more attention to our surrounding when we are hunting, or just out running or hiking in hunting areas.
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This is really upsetting to read
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