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Would anybody have any advise on what to put on a socom 16 for optics weather it be a scout scope or red dot?Thank's Jim.
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Aimpoint CompM4s 30mm Red Dot Sight Aimpoint CompM4s 30mm Red Dot Sight
Stock # - AIM12308
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  • Accucam Quick Detach Mounting Base
$139.95 
 
 


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It will not co-witness but you still want the base as low as possible so I would buy the optic without the base and then use one of the quick detach bases like the BOBRO, GG&G or LaRue.  You can also go with one of the other aimpoints that is less money but the Comp M4s and M4 are built like a tank and do yourself a favor and order Aimpoints flip up lens caps.  If you opt to go the scout scope route I would stay with Leupold and use high quality rings. http://swfa.com/Leupold-Scout-Scopes-C3916.aspx
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Thank you very much for the input,Good on a lot of things but socom 16 I am new to,I have a national match but this is different being shorter with the rail so foreward,guess it makes sense to go for the quick follow up shot's.Thank you for the advise on the mounts and pictures to it means a lot. Jim.
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I take it is your socom in the pic's?What are u using for mount's?and that socom is sweat nicer then mine!

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That mount is the Aimpoint mount but the other ones go lower and dont have the over size knob. The spacer on the Aimpoint mount is removable but since you can buy the optic now without the mount I would go with probably the BOBRO mount or the La Rue but I do have a GG&G mount on an ACOG and it works well also.   I particularly like the Smith Vortex flash supressor but it took me a while to get it. Then sent it off to Walter Birdsong for tan and black T finish.
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I think that I like the Aimpoint option,even if I can only come up with the cash for a M-2,but you pay for what you get and I could always put it on my Stag 2TL or DPMS AP-4 .308,Thanks.
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How much did it cost you for the finish?It is so much nicer looking then mine?One more stupid question is when you say co-witness I take it you mean does not super imposse on the front sight?that is the way that i would take it?
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Socoms, in the original configuration of short "hand guard" rail or longer rail that ends at the chamber, can be a challenge to scope.  The rifle was not designed for an optic, though it is possible.

I have scoped a SOCOM, both with red dot and with a few magnifying scopes - none were '"scout" scopes, all were standard eye relief.

In my opinion, Aimpoint is the best option, mounted at the hand guard position. With that, you don't have cheek weld issues and you don't significantly change the handling of the rifle.

Another option is an "over action" mount, I tried a few but took a picture of this setup:



DO NOT buy the Millett scope, it was a disappointment.

I also used a Sadlak mount, which worked better but was not fun to install.


Next, you can swap the stock for a chassis-style stock, those usually have a full length rail.

Lastly, you can send your rifle back to Springfield Armory and for about $500, they will install the full length rail, running all the way back to the rear site housing.

And, almost forgot: if you scope the Socom with a magnifying optic, you will probably need some manner of cheek piece, whether duct tape and foam on the stock, or a "after-market" cheek piece, be ready to need one.

After spending about 2 years monkeying with my Socom, trying to get it perfect for me, I sold it and moved to the AR10 platform.  I love the M14 action, but it is an iron site gun by design.


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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:



After spending about 2 years monkeying with my Socom, trying to get it perfect for me, I sold it and moved to the AR10 platform.  I love the M14 action, but it is an iron site gun by design.




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That isn't a recommendation (as he said he already has one) but there is no question the ARs are easier to scope than M1s.

Always stirring the pot.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

That isn't a recommendation (as he said he already has one) but there is no question the ARs are easier to scope than M1s.

Always stirring the pot.

It just makes my heart sad when I read someone dismissing the great M-14 in favor of an AR. 
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Check fire!


I am a HUGE M14 fan, it is a magnificent IRON SIGHT gun, it was not designed for optics.  FOr what it is, it is great.  For what it isn't, it is purely OK.

You just hate plastic guns, I get that, but a plastic 308 (Armalite AR10) is a very, very useful piece of gear - especially when scoped and placed in the hands of a person that takes pride in their craft.

In the end...


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I do hate AR's....Filthy disgusting pigs, that they are. 
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I love AR's,have 4 of them one in .308 the others 5.56,what i had in the Marine Corps,also like M1-As to.Thank you all Semper Fi.
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RC is right. I did the same thing with my Springfield Scout. It was a great rifle, and for an irons only gun was great. But once I suppressed it and tried to scope it I didn't like it. I sold it in favor of a LaRue 7.62 OBR.

I would recommend taking the SOCOM in a slightly different direction. I would highly recommend a Sage Mod 1 stock and a Leupold MK4 3.5-10x40 or NF 2.5-10x32. Yep, it will be expensive. But it would be very cool once done. Don't suppress it unless you are a patient man, they just do not suppress well, but it's not the guns fault, just the way they are designed. The shorter SOCOM does well in the sage stocks and has a great look that's functional. It adds some heft, but that's normal in battle rifles. Anything SEI does is nice.

I do not like scout style mounts like the SOCOM and scout squad use. They are attached to the barrel, and I'm no fan of anything touching the barrel. The sage stock makes the gun more rigid which will help with accuracy, something these guns need. (yes they can be accurate, but the shorter guns are not NM guns).

The Sage chassis stock will run from $699-899 depending on model and options. You can find good deals on the MK4 scopes used and the same goes for the NF. They are just suggestions, a good 1-6x would be cool too. I recommended those because those are common on the sage stocked M14 variants I have seen.
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30mm Aimpoint or irons.
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