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I've been debating over this for months and I can't decide what to do. Basically, the situation is right now I have a Simmons Blazer scope on a rifle I want to hunt with some this year. It's mainly a backup rifle, but I've grown really fond of it and want to try it out some. Anyway, I really want a SS variable power, however if I get one I want it to have more than 9x on the top end. Since I keep reading the 5-20 is in the works I want to hold out for it. I keep trying to convince myself to just keep the Simmons. I mean it works perfectly. It holds zero and it's no problem shooting sub moa groups with this rifle. I keep on shooting and shooting and it still keeps on holding zero. The glass isn't great, but it's not horrible either. I can see just fine with it. That being said, I keep reading about how crappy they are online and it scares me that it will fail me while on a hunt. That thought keeps popping up in my head.

Now I have a Burris FFII also that I really like. Mine is a 3-9x40mm and I love it. It's a lot better glass than the Simmons, but the Simmons is fine. If I get one for this rifle, I'd like more power than a 3-9 though. Anyway, I don't want to spend a ton unless I'm going to get the SS scope. However, the Pentax Pioneer MT 4.5-14x42mm keeps popping up in my head.

I've read a few places that it's the exact same scope as the Burris Fullfield II and it does look the same. The magnification is also what I want. It doesn't have the mil dot recticle or the target turrets, but it seems like it would be a decent scope for hunting if it is in fact the same as the Burris FFII. I'm just afraid it will be a knock off or something that just looks the same and I don't want that. Money is fairly tight too, so I don't want to throw money away on anything.

So should I go ahead and get this Pentax Pioneer MT to use for hunting season? Or should I just keep the Simmons Blazer that keeps working? I really can't make up my mine, but have come to realize that I need to do it fairly soon as hunting season is coming up and will get here before I know it.
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Also anyone know the difference between the Pentax Pioneer MT and the Pioneer II? 
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Not trying to hijack, but what's the scoop on a 5-20X SS?
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I'd go for the cheaper Pentax (probably has less eye relief than the other as its biggest drawback) or sit on what you have for now until what you really want/can afford comes along.

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I believe the only difference between Pioneer I and Pioneer II is that the Pioneer I was made in Phillipines and the Pioneer II is made in China. There may be a little bit better coatings on II but Im sure its the same scope otherwise.
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I didn't realize the Pioneer II was just another scope made in China. I'm not sure that I want it then. So which one is more durable in the field? The Simmons Blazer I have now or a Pentax Pioneer? I'm just wondering which would be less likely to fail me when hunting?
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I also forgot to add into that last post that I'm fairly happy with the Simmons except for the fact that I read such bad stuff about them online it scares me that it might fail on me.
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how much $$$ do you want to spend??
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Well, around $150 really. I really want the SWFA SS, but I want more than 9x on the top end and since I'm going to hunt with it too I don't want a fixed power. If it was out I'd most likely just buy it. However, since I'm still having to wait for it I don't want to spend several hundred on a scope now only to replace it when the SWFA SS comes out. That's why I've been trying to convince myself to just keep using the Simmons I have until the SS 5-20 comes out. However, I keep wanting to change to something that I wont have to worry about failing on me.

I just don't have a lot of extra money to spend on a scope, so unless I'm getting exactly what I want I'm not willing to spend several hundred on it. That's why I don't want a $300 scope now only to replace it when the new SS comes out.
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What type of hunting do you do, and what type of rifle and caliber are you using now? This will help us find a good combination for you. Since the SS 5-20 is still in R&D to my knowledge, what price range are you expecting it to come in at? I have not heard of a price range yet and was wondering if you had an idea.
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Well, for something like a SS 5-20 I'd be willing to pay up to $1000. However, if I'm going to get something to use until the SS comes out I don't want to put more than $150 or so into it.

I also really like some of the scopes from US Optics, but they are a little out of my price range.
It's going on a Savage Model 10 in .243. I do some hunting from a tree stand, and I do some hunting with guys that use hunting dogs, so some shots I need to be able to get on target quickly and get a good shot fast.
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Now we know what you are wanting the rig to do. I would be staying in the 2 low range. 2-7 or 2-10. For me even 3X is high on a running deer shot. The 2-7 Vortex Viper would be very good for what you are wanting to do. The Savage is a fine rifle but a .243 is going to get very light and lack penetration with only a 100 gr bullet if reaching over 250 yds. on a deer. Always remember good glass trumps power. You can't shoot what you can't see. You really need to find someone that will let you spend a little time behind a 3-9 4200, Nikon Monarch, or better a Conquest to see what you have been missing in the Simmons and the FFII. If you go to a 20X top you lose so much on the bottom. That is where the most shots will be had with deer unless you are in SD or Wyoming.
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In addition to the hunting like that, I do a fair amount of shooting at the range. That's why I wanted a higher magnification on the top end, but the hunting is why I want a low magnification on the low end. I use a 3-9 now and most of the time keep it on 4 power pretty often. Sometimes if in a stand I crank it up. That's why I was thinking I could probably get by with 5x on the low end since it's not much more than the 4x I currently leave me scope set on.
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I'm with 310s on this one---get ya a Vortex Viper 2-7x36 for $169. Deal with it at the range, because as you get more proficient with it you know what you can do with it when a nice buck steps out on you...my opinion---hold it helps---Bboy623
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I actually had a Leupold 2-7x33 for this rifle, but I couldn't get used to the 2-7 even at 100 yards so I sold it. I don't want another one. For me I like high magnification and the 2-7 just didn't do it for me at the range even at 100 yards. That's why I'm not sure I want the Viper in 2-7. Some of the others do look promising though, but if I'm going to pay that much for a scope I want one with a mil dot reticle and target turrets. None of the ones on sale have the mil dot.
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As you age the 2-7 will grow on you. It needs to be quality glass. You can see so much more with higher end glass and coatings. After missed chances on shots made with to high a power setting, the wide field of view tends to get more important. Now for PDs I like 14 or 16X. The 20X just does not give any advantage because of heat and exaggerated movement.
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