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I've spent all my life around hunting.  I just recently took on a Prostaffing position with Nikon optics.  I never knew there would be so much to learn about optics.  I look forward to learning as much as possible.  It is nice to have a place like this to come to.
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How do you get a Prostaffing position with Nikon optics if, as you imply, you don't know much about optics?  That would seem somewhat counter-intuitive.

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Easy, when I got the phone call asking if I would be interested in taking on the position...I thought about it for a week then decided...Sure, I'll give it a 100% effort and turned in a resume.  You go to stores, do inventory and spend time at their sales events talking optics.  You spend some time training too.  If I am willing to learn as much as possible and already have a solid foundation with my hunting background, it really is NOT counter-intuitive, it is in fact adventuresome.  There is just a lot more to learn than I originally expected.  Just about everything in life comes down to how you look at things.  They could have went with some know it all optics person, but maybe they fell a little short in personality, charisma, good attitude, or perhaps a pulse.  I think it is exciting to learn more about things I'm interested in, optics included.  That is why I'm here!  There must have been something they liked about me. 

 

Thanks for your warm welcome.   



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sly_vixen

Good luck on the new jobÖÖ

This is a great place for different views and opinions about optics from some really good and honest people form many different back grounds. Iím sure you will find it very informative and helpful.

 

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Sorry if my question seemed a bit off-putting.  It was not my intent to disparage you personally.  I simply find it interesting that Nikon Optics would choose as a "Prostaffer" someone (anyone - not simply you) who does not have a solid background (whether that be educational or experiential, formal or informal) in optics.  The very title is generally used (by all companies - not just Nikon) to imply a level of knowledge, expertise, and authority that makes the individual a valuable resource for information and why the presence of Prostaffers at various events often gets touted as a great opportunity for consumers.

 

Of course it is an "adventuresome" opportunity for you and I certainly wish you the best but, it does indeed seem (at first) a bit counter-intuitive.  The obvious question being: if such a person is just getting used to dealing with the vernacular surrounding optics, how can they do anything but regurgitate their company's advertising copy?  Ah, but there's the rub; that is, no doubt, the very intent as most consumers aren't really all that interested in the myriad details that the comparably few of us who frequent these forums find so interesting and compelling.  Quite simply, consumers buy brands, not products.

 

I suppose this does help explain why it's often hard to get really good, straight answers at sales events, outdoor expos, etc.  If the knowledge base isn't there to start with, well...

 

 

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lucznick, a hunter will know how to talk to hunters and will understand their optics needs.

I just whish they listened to birders more. Their LX series of binoculars has great optics but the focus is too fast and the shape is awful - imiting the way the binoculars can be held. 



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Originally posted by anweis anweis wrote:

lucznik, a hunter will know how to talk to hunters and will understand their optics needs.

 

Can't say I agree with you there.  Many is the number of very active hunters who don't understand or appreciate the value and utility of good optics.  A hunter will (perhaps) be able to intelligently discuss many hunting issues but, even this will be limited to the kinds of hunting with which the particular individual is familiar.  For example, although I have been an obsessive hunter for almost 3 decades, you would be a fool to come to me for advise on how to hunt Eastern or Southern whitetails or for advise on how to successfully engage in international hunting excursions. I simply have never had the opportunity to travel to such areas and engage in such hunts.  Likewise, if you are interested in getting involved in archery hunting, you don't go to a gunsmith for advise on which bow is best suited to your purposes. The possession of hunting knowledge simply does not instill an inherent ability to discuss (again intelligently) optics. 

 

Let me be clear here.  I harbor no animosity toward sly_vixen.  I don't know her, have never met her, and absolutely wish her the best in her new job.  I am simply expressing my surprise that an optics company would select as an optics "PROSTAFFER," with all the implied knowledge, experience, and expertise that this title is generally used to convey, any individual that does not possess a basic working knowledge of optics and the optics industry.  I would feel the same of any archery company using non-archers, or firearms company using non-shooters, etc. as their "prostaffers." 

 

 

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lmao...You certainly DON'T know me.  Yet you claim to be the expert on me.  Who said that I didn't possess "basic" working knowledge of optics and the optics industry?  I have been a bird watcher, an avid hunter and have hiked my spotting scope many miles.  In fact, it is soon time to get a new one. 

 

I have purchased, owned and operated a wide variety of optics for such activities throughout the years.  There is always a shovel to dig your knowledge a little deeper and that is ALL, I was implying and to basically say hello to everyone here in my original post.  Sure there's a lot more to learn than I first thought, like doing inventory and filing reports.  I am willing to give it my best shot.  Hello everyone, by the way!

 

My main concern is to HELP people find what works best for their lifestyle, budget and their needs.

 

As far as your statement about NOT harboring animosity towards me.  Man you don't have to lie, people can read.  The first comment I read that you posted, I honestly thought to myself....what in the world did I do to this person?  Ouch!  You may "know it all" about optics, but you certainly are a real jerk.  Anybody can be a know it all, but it takes impelling force to really make something of yourself.  I don't know who you are, but I have become well aware of what you are.  You can keep knocking me down, if it feels good.  Just remember I'll be determined to get right back up again.  Let's just say, I'm geared that way. 

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 I Know your well respected here in the OT, I know we have exchange info a few times, But you did come down on Sly rather hard. From her first post she didn't say she was completely blind about optics like knowing which way to put it on a gun but she wants to learn more about it. For all we know she might have more field knowledge than you and I. From her other post she dose rather well in the hunting department. So Iím sure she has the experience that NIKON was looking for when she was hired. Iím also sure she is trying to get more knowledge of optics to make her job easier and more fulfilling so thatís why she came here was to learn not get kick around on the first post.

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Originally posted by sly_vixen sly_vixen wrote:

Who said that I didn't possess "basic" working knowledge of optics and the optics industry?  I have been a bird watcher, an avid hunter and have hiked my spotting scope many miles.

Well since you asked...

Originally posted by sly_vixen - thread title sly_vixen - thread title wrote:

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Originally posted by sly_vixen sly_vixen wrote:

I never knew there would be so much to learn about optics.  I look forward to learning as much as possible.  It is nice to have a place like this to come to.

 

Grammatically, each of these statements implies a basic ignorance of optics. It is the very kind of statement we commonly see from individuals who come on the forum looking for the absolute simplest kinds of information as they approach their first optics purchases.

 

I then asked the simple question:

Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

How do you get a Prostaffing position with Nikon optics if, as you imply, you don't know much about optics?

 

If this question was uncomfortable to you or made you feel I was attacking you, I truly apologize as such was not my intent  but, there is nothing there that implies anything but a curiosity about the manner in which the job could be given to someone who, by their own admission (or at least implication) lacks knowledge about the field.

 

In your answer to my question you do not correct my impression, even though I left the opportunity wide open for you, by pointing out that you have some actual experience with optics (as you do later.)  Rather you choose to support that initial impression by your answer of:

Originally posted by sly_vixen sly_vixen wrote:

Easy... You spend some time training... There is just a lot more to learn than I originally expected...They could have went with some know it all optics person, but maybe they fell a little short in personality, charisma, good attitude, or perhaps a pulse.... There must have been something they liked about me.

 

Again, grammatically these statements, whether taken individually or as a whole, support the initial impression that you gave of lacking experience with and knowledge about optics. They also suggest that "personality, charisma, good attitude, and a pulse" might be more important than knowledge when selecting not just a common salesperson but, a "Prostaffer."

 

If my question offended you then, I'll apologize. However, I am personally not so needy for friends or acceptance that I am unwilling to ask the difficult or uncomfortable questions.  Your statement brought an interesting concept to the forefront that perhaps the "Prostaffers" that are so popular in the outdoors industry right now are not so "professional" as their title implies and I was interested in pursuing that issue.  You will note that I was always careful to present my questions in the context of the overall industry as a whole and went to great pains to distance my comments from you personally (even going so far as to very clearly indicate that both I don't know you and that I wish you well in your new job) and to make no specific judgements as to your qualities as a person - a courtesy which you did not choose to reciprocate. 



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lucznik, Why don't you really show off your knowledge and help others out, instead of trying to cut someone down? (?)  You would be more valuable, if you would abdicate the zealot character. 

 

Spending time training, means that I'll be training...others!  You misconstrued that.  

 

The more you write, the funnier you get.   

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, including you lucznik.  I came here to learn more and that is all I came here for.

 

Having someone wipe their boots on your back once in awhile will remind you what you are made of.  Thanks, for the reminder.  I'm still durable.   



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This is getting to read like a 10mm thread at GlockTalk.
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Originally posted by sly_vixen sly_vixen wrote:

Easy, when I got the phone call asking if I would be interested in taking on the position...I thought about it for a week then decided...Sure, I'll give it a 100% effort and turned in a resume.  You go to stores, do inventory and spend time at their sales events talking optics.  You spend some time training too.  If I am willing to learn as much as possible and already have a solid foundation with my hunting background, it really is NOT counter-intuitive, it is in fact adventuresome.  There is just a lot more to learn than I originally expected.  Just about everything in life comes down to how you look at things.  They could have went with some know it all optics person, but maybe they fell a little short in personality, charisma, good attitude, or perhaps a pulse.  I think it is exciting to learn more about things I'm interested in, optics included.  That is why I'm here!  There must have been something they liked about me. 

 

Thanks for your warm welcome.   

 

Great answer,

Anyone can learn anything, if they've got a good teacher, being able to impart knowledge in a human way is a great skill. 

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