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An instructor at one of the gun schools I attend always says, "Match the equipment to the mission, not the other way around."  Problem is, I dable in multi-gun/3-gun, plink, attend defensive carbine classes each year, and "attempt" to hit the gongs at 300/400/500 at the range.  I have a 16" Noveske with an Aimpoint M4...no particular reason why I've equiped this way, just did.
 
I'm new to scopes, but after reading here, snipershide, brianenos, etc., I think I want a scope that goes out to 10-12 power, FFP, has a mil reticle, and adjusts windage/elev. in mil.  I'm also confused, a bit, about dialing for elevation.  Is this a scope feature you would use in lieu of hold over?  If that's correct, I think I like that feature.
 
What scopes fit the bill for $1,000...give or take a few bucks?  I like the Vortex Viper line, but it appears the only two scopes with FFP each have a 50mm objective, which seems large, but what do I know, that's why I'm here.
 
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Before you get 10 recomendations for the SWFA Super Sniper line have you considered going to an ACOG you can easily hit gongs 300.400.500 with the correct reticle and support...

Then after you decide you really want a scope try the SWFA line...
 
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You either use hold overs for elevation or you click it. To click it you'd need to know exact ballistics for the ammo you shoot.
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take a hard look at the SS 3x9, then when your done, look again.
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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

Before you get 10 recomendations for the SWFA Super Sniper line have you considered going to an ACOG you can easily hit gongs 300.400.500 with the correct reticle and support...

Then after you decide you really want a scope try the SWFA line...
 
I have considered that, sort of.  My buddy has an ACOG, 3 or 3.5 I think, and I liked it.  But, as he points out, I could just as easily get a 3x magnifier for my Aimpoint and be nearly in the same ballpark as his ACOG for fewer dollars...since I already have the Aimpoint.   I guess I like the idea of a variable power thinking it would give me more opportunity to learn scope skills at various distances.
 
I didn't mention it in my OP, but my AR is in .223.
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

take a hard look at the SS 3x9, then when your done, look again.
 
 
Looks nice!  So, some scopes have a third turret knob.  What does the additional turret adjust?
 
In regard to SS, who are they?  I looked at their site, but no info on warranty.
 
Thank you for the link.
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Originally posted by Ranger Ranger wrote:

Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

take a hard look at the SS 3x9, then when your done, look again.
 
 
Looks nice!  So, some scopes have a third turret knob.  What does the additional turret adjust?
 
In regard to SS, who are they?  I looked at their site, but no info on warranty.
 
Thank you for the link.
 
 
 
You mean a side focus? This is for correcting parallax.


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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

You mean a side focus? This is for correcting parallax.
 
Is this a "must have" feature?
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No, in practical shooting, they are nice for long range shooting (600 yds plus) or shooting at small targets like golf balls at say 300 yds plus.
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With the exception of my hunting ARs, all else wear red dots or 1-4Xs.  A 10X optic on an M4 never made much sense to me: it isn't a "precision" weapon, large optics throw off the balance, and it's a big hunk of something to get hung up or banged.

My reluctance with magnifiers behind red dots is that the magnifier magnifies the dot too - so, relative to the target, the dot is the same size, but do you want a 4 MOA dot at 3X magnification?  At 500 yards, the dot covers 20 inches of target, but the target does look bigger!

For your stated purpose, I'd look for a nice 1-4X.  Finding one with target turrets shouldn't be a problem.  Good ones aren't inexpensive, but they are made for 3-gun and the like.  Consider the trijicon accupoint 1-4 with mil dot reticle or, if you can bump the price tag up a bit, look at Nightforce.  The trijicon does not have target turrets, FYI.

For "shoot-n-move" rifles, any 10X is a big hunk of glass.  Were it full-sized rifle or varmint rig, a 10X would be fine; for an M4, a little too much.

ACOG is a great option for most of what you want, a good 1-4 would be almost perfect.

If you are dead set on something in the 10X range, I'd look at the new IOR 2.5-10X FFP or the 3-9X SS, both are great optics, both have mil reticles and mil turrets, the IOR has illumination, the SS is a better deal.

Hope that helps.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

My reluctance with magnifiers behind red dots is that the magnifier magnifies the dot too -
 
If you are dead set on something in the 10X range, I'd look at the new IOR 2.5-10X FFP or the 3-9X SS, both are great optics, both have mil reticles and mil turrets, the IOR has illumination, the SS is a better deal.

Hope that helps.
 
Good point on the red dot magnifier.  I'm not neccessarily set on more power, I guess it's just one of those things I'd like to try out...maybe find out if going to a larger caliber gun and a good optic is in my future.  When I say I've dabbled in multigun, I have no illusions of being world class, rather just having fun and improving my trigger skills.
 
With regard to the Mil Dot reticle on the SS 3x9, how does this compare to a BDC type reticle?  Could both be used in a similar manner?  Is a BDC in mil or moa...or either?
 
Thanks again for your reply and to those who've also replied in this thread.
 
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I use the 3x ACOG red crosshair most of the time and while it does not have a balistic reticle I like the size and simplicity.  If you want to have a scope to dial in correction why not pick up a fixed 6x42 Super Sniper in a La Rue quick detachable mount and work with both as needed. For under 300 bucks the 6x is about as much fun as you can have out of bed.
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I'm not sure I'm any closer to deciding on anything.  But, I've given serious consideration to recommendations on a 1-4x.  Do the same considerations come into play on the lower power scopes, i.e. FFP vs. SFP, mil vs. MOA, etc.?  As stated, I've been leaning towards FFP and mil/mil.  In regard to the Nikon M223, this seems like a reasonably priced scope.  Good choice/bad choice?
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