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I have an old Smith and Wesson 1500 in 30-06.  This is the same action as a Weatherby Vanguard, and was made by Howa.  I like the action design, the trigger isn't too bad, and the walnut stock has fairly nice figure.  I actually just stripped the plastic-looking gloss finish off over a recent snow day, and am doing an oil rub finish. 

The next step is replacing the Bushnell Scopechief IV 2.5-8x32 that came on the rifle.  It's a range compensating type, but missing part of the elevation turret.  Bushnell wants something like $196 to fix it, so obviously I'm going to have to junk it.

I also wanted to replace the weaver mounts and stamped steel weaver rings, so I have some Leupold rings/bases to go on with a new scope.  I bought the Viper 2-7x32 from SWFA, but the ocular bell won't clear the rear base with the low rings I have.  I'd prefer not to get medium rings because the stock has a decent amount of drop and I don't like big gaps between the objective bell and rifle barrel.  Besides, I'm sure I can find another use for the Viper. 

This isn't a rifle that will get a lot of use because it's illegal for deer here in Indiana and I have something else more suitable for coyotes.  But I would still like to keep the rifle and mount a decent, small, fairly rugged, and still inexpensive hunting scope on it.  My immediate thought was a Redfield Revolution 2-7x33 or Weaver V7, but I noticed on Koshkin's website that he recommends the Sightron SII 4x32 as a decent scope.  With the $50 rebate, the Sightron seems like it would be a good buy right now.  All three scopes could be had for $130-$160.

So I ask, does anyone have any input comparing the Redfield Revolution 2-7x32, Weaver V7, and Sightron 4x32?  Would they all be comparable optically?  Is there another scope I should be considering?  My only concerns are that the Redfield has variable eye relief, the Sightron looks to have a pretty short tube, and the Weaver is $30 more than the other  two... 

Thanks in advance for any help.
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if the vortex wont clear with lows, i dont think any of the others will either.
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The reason it doesn't clear is because it doesn't taper in front of the power ring very much, and that part of the scope is rather long anyway.  The power ring on a Monarch 3-9x40 clears...
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hmm thats interesting. my vortex viper is on low rings and it clears my m70 just fine. oh well. back to your issue... i dont know anything about the weaver, but the sII is probably a good step up from the redfield.
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I have a S&W model 1500, 30-06 and I have leupold bases and low rings with a Bushnell elite 3200 3-9x40. That set up has worked very well for me.
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Yeah, the knurled surface contacts the rear base.  Already put a smudge in the base trying to mount it.  It's an extended rear base that puts the ring a little further forward though.  I'm sure that mounting it in a standard base that didn't extend that far back towards the ocular bell would be just fine.  In fact, that's what I plan to do with the scope eventually.  Just don't have the rifle to do it with- yet.

Thanks for your input.
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Thanks tman, but I am trying to stick with a smaller, more compact scope in this application.  I'll never need 9x on this rifle and would enjoy the lower bottom end and smaller size of a 2-7 or 4x.
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what about that weaver v3 1-3x??
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I thought about that, but I don't see what it offers that the 2.5-7 doesn't.  The 2.5-7 is not much bigger, and the ocular bell/power ring looks to be the same diameter.  And the 2.5-7 has a touch more eye relief.


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i really think you will like the 4x sII
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  That Sightron has a VERY SHORT mounting area. Like 4.4".

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4.4 could be and issue

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  I mean you can make just about anything fit now a days but that 4.4" is the reason I scratched it off of my list.  By the way Jason,I was considering it for my S&W LA.  Maybe you want to consider a VXII 4x or 6x?
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I was just on Sightron's website looking at the diagram of measurements and comparing them to the diagram of the Viper.  The bases I have are both extended, so it's only 4" from outside edges of the rings.  The only issue will be if the ocular bell somehow still touches the rear base.  The ocular bell is slightly larger diameter than the Viper(1.61" vs 1.5"), but it also looks like it's shorter and tapers more/sooner.  The big honking power adjustment ring on the Viper is the issue with that scope.  I think that little Sightron might actually just fit.  It also has long enough eye relief(4.8") that I don't think there would be any issue in that area either.  But then again, I would bet money that either of the 2-7's I was looking at would fit just fine.  Plus, I've been kinda wanting to check out one of those little Redfields anyway.  The Sightron just seems like better optics for similar money after the rebate.  Aren't SII's supposed to be about equal to a Monarch or Viper?


Edit:  A Leupy 4x33 would be just great, but they are a little more money than I'm wanting to spend for this particular rifle.  I've done some minor work myself, and it's sort of a "budget" rifle that I intend to keep for pretty much ever.  It was an even better deal for a budget rifle until that Scopechief that came on it turned out to be a bust.


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  By the time you leave a minimum of .125"(1/8') between the front ring and the objective bell that's only going to leave you with not much more than 1/4" for any scope position adjustment you want to make.  Also are your extended bases going to extend out over your loading port?
  Maybe locate a used 4x33?


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That's a good point with the bases extending out over the port.  The rear sticks out a half inch, and the front an eighth.  I wonder if that would be enough in interfere?  I guess I need to get some ammo and shoot this thing to see if it's a problem.  Granted, I was thinking about rebarrelling it to 6.5x55- because I've always wanted one.  The slightly shorter Swede would probably clear just fine. 

I swear, getting the ideal scope/mount/ring setup is an adventure more often than not...



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I have had the Sightron SII 4x32 and it is a nice scope. It has a wide plex reticle and I prefer the standard plex. The 4.5 inch eye relief can be an issue because there is very little mounting room and the eye relief is pretty critical with that scope meaning your eye has to be exactly the right distance from the eypiece to get a full view. I had mine mounted on a Marlin 336 30-30 and I had to mount it as far forward in the rings as I could to get the scope far enough from my eye to get a proper image. The eye bell is a little long also so it doesnt taper much.
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  I can't imagine a .30-06 cartridge not fitting between the bases. I was more concerned with it just being a hassle to do with maybe not much room for your fingers and a cartridge.
 
  Hey, I'm a musical scope playing junkie although I'm getting better.  Right now I've got a 4X Conquest w/1pc Tally's on mine.
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Originally posted by jason miller jason miller wrote:

That's a good point with the bases extending out over the port.  The rear sticks out a half inch, and the front an eighth.  I wonder if that would be enough in interfere?  I guess I need to get some ammo and shoot this thing to see if it's a problem.  Granted, I was thinking about rebarrelling it to 6.5x55- because I've always wanted one.  The slightly shorter Swede would probably clear just fine. 

I swear, getting the ideal scope/mount/ring setup is an adventure more often than not...


i wouldnt  say the swede is all that much shorter, the normal swede action is considered a "long action" to accommodate those long 6.5mm bullets it shoots. in all reality the 6.5 swede probably uses the same length bolt as the 06 does.
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Would this situation be cleared up with a different set of mounts/rings?  Why use "extended"?
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SOunds to me like since you have a long action you either need to get a longer/larger scope or use a 1 piece base of some sort.
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  This should be his rifle which he says has a good bit of drop at the comb. It doesn't look that bad but since I didn't have mine in the factory stock but a few months I just don't remember.  I know I did have to use an extended front base due to the lop being to long and me not wanting to alter the stock.  Maybe that's his situation to.
 
 
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That's the rifle.  Although mine had a rather thick and glossy finish.  My uncle thought the stock was made of plastic.  The drop in the stock isn't extreme, but my other rifles are either straight combed or have a slight hump.  I am using these mounts because I thought the extra space would come in handy for mounting a compact scope on this rifle.  Besides, a large chain sporting goods store in the area was closing them out at a serious discount.  Unless they interfere with loading/ejection or won't let me mount any of the scopes I'm looking at, I'd like to keep them.

I think either of the 2-7 scopes I was looking at would fit just fine.  I might just get the Redfield though.  It has lots of eye relief and is supposed to be forgiving of eye position, has over an inch of tube length to play with in these mounts, the optics should serve my purposes, and it's made in the USA.  I just thought the Sightron might be a noticeable step up in optical quality, but the mounting concerns probably just aren't worth it. 
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My .02, use medium rings, you've already stated you don't plan on using the gun much, and you can mount up the viper, and a dead coyote isn't going to critique you over the symetry of your rig. Wink


You can always hide the rifle in the back of the gun safe. :-)


Not harshing on ya at all, just practical country thinkin on my part. 


Hope ya find something that fits and makes you smile. That's what it's all about. 

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