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I've narrowed my choices to these for the upcoming bow season.  Any help here?  I get the drop in low light performance, but looking at the alpha glass, it seems I can get the top performance with a slightly diminished light transmission, but I don't have enough experience to know how these will perform in a bowhunting scenario.  Help.
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I am inclined to think this would be a good little pocket tool for bowhunting, but thats just me I tend to break binoculars.
Zeiss 5x10 MiniQuick Monocular Zeiss 5x10 MiniQuick Monocular
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I also really like this spotter.
Minox 16-30x50 Spotting Scope Minox 16-30x50 Spotting Scope
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Last year, I used my Leica rangefinder as a monocular. It's 7 power and that was sufficient for me. Besides,  I was constantly ranging different points for yardage.
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In actual tests the Leica Ultravids and Nikon Premier 10x25's are visually superior.
The handling is different, ergonomics, but optically they are very close, both companies improve them periodically.
 I prefer the handling of the Leica and use the 8x20, I also have the Nikon Premier 8x20.
Several friends prefer the Nikon 10x25's, which I can't hold steady.
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Thanks.  Wonder why our host doesn't carry the Premiers?
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Originally posted by DCAMM94 DCAMM94 wrote:

Thanks.  Wonder why our host doesn't carry the Premiers?




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You have messed up your poll right at the gate.  You are polling on a really apples vs oranges comparison.  There is no way any 20-25 mm glass can hand with a good 32 mm.  This is just my opinion, but I have no idea why anybody would try and huint with a 20-25mm binocular...regardless of who makes it or how much it cost.  They are too small to begin with, the cranky double hinges are finicky to set up, loosen up  fast, and are a lot harder to line up with your eye properly, much less get a proper set up and grip to begin with.
 
For bowhunting, I'd even suggest the 6x version of the Viper  The increased depth perception, depth of focus and the marked decrease in focusing effort that the 7x and below class of glass affords can be a game changer close in.
 
At any rate, I'd go no higher than 8x for archery use, and stick to the 30-32mm class glass.
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The best choice would be the 6X32 Viper.

It isn't on your list, but should be.
 
I agree with Steve on compacts and hunting.
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Thanks. I picked up a set of the 6x32s for my dad off of the sample list for cheap. Hard to find anymore. I do prefer 8x, and I'm surprised no one has commented on the conquests. I've looked at the prime's as well. They look interesting vs the viper HDs.
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I'm sad that I can't vote on this poll. I would throw my hat in with the Viper HDs though.

I bought my mother a set of 10x28s last year for bird-watching, and she loves them.
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So, if I were to change my question to the following, what would your recommendations be?  I think I know, but it's a forum, so I'll ask anyway.

Conquest 8x30
Zen Ray ED2 7x36 (demo at $275)
Zen Ray Prime HD 8x42
Viper HD 8x32
Viper HD 6x32
Viper 10x28 (demo at $249)

I included the viper 10x28s because (a) their priced great, and (b) they have a single hinge, not the bi-fold hinge of most compacts.  I included the ZR Primes because I've heard nothing but great things about them, and while ZR is still offering the discount, it may be worth the slightly heavier/bulky bino for the performance. Thanks guys.  I'm zeroing in.

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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

Originally posted by DCAMM94 DCAMM94 wrote:

Thanks.  Wonder why our host doesn't carry the Premiers?






Not sure how I missed that.  Looked right past them.  Thanks.
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Originally posted by DCAMM94 DCAMM94 wrote:

So, if I were to change my question to the following, what would your recommendations be?  I think I know, but it's a forum, so I'll ask anyway.

Conquest 8x30
Zen Ray ED2 7x36 (demo at $275)
Zen Ray Prime HD 8x42
Viper HD 8x32
Viper HD 6x32
Viper 10x28 (demo at $249)

I included the viper 10x28s because (a) their priced great, and (b) they have a single hinge, not the bi-fold hinge of most compacts.  I included the ZR Primes because I've heard nothing but great things about them, and while ZR is still offering the discount, it may be worth the slightly heavier/bulky bino for the performance. Thanks guys.  I'm zeroing in.

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OK, you are still apples to oranges.  This likely will come down to size and bulk.  What do you need in this regard?  For bowhunting, I'd go Viper 6x, then the Viper 8x due to size.  Optically I'd go with the ZEN ED 2 7x36, but it is as big as the smaller end of most 42 mm glass.  The Prime is a heck of a good glass, optically the best one in the list, but it is a typical full sized standard 42 mm class binocular, it is NOT small.
 
The Viper x28's are of a restricted fov and for me they are NOT comfortable to look through much, and frankly they are not in the same class by a very long shot as the x32 Viper HD is...don't let the same name fool with you.
 
I don't have enough practical experience with the Conquest 8x30 to comment on it as compared to the others.
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+1 on the 6x for bow hunting.
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Originally posted by Klamath Klamath wrote:

For bowhunting, I'd go Viper 6x,

Viper 6x32 HD for the W I D E  FOV & great eye relief.

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I went with the ED2 7x36.  They will replace 10x32 Leupold Green Ring Katmai's.  I couldn't pass up Zen Ray's demos for that price.  The bulk should be similar to what I've been using, so I'm looking forward to the added depth of field.  If they don't work out, I'm only $275 out of pocket.  If they do, I guess I'm a winner all around.  Klamath, I realized I was apples to oranges on both "polls," but they were indicative of the different aspects of the binos I that interested me.  For bowhunting, I think the 7x36 will be a good compromise between optical quality, field of view, exit pupil, depth, and size.  I hope I'm right, and thanks everyone for the input. 

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You should be more than happy with that choice.  I have one of them and it is one of my all time favorites, and one that I'd have to seriously consider keeping if the GODS suddenly dictated I could have only one binocular Smile.  The Kruger Caldera and the Prime would be the other two.
 
It is a fair amount bigger than the Katmai, and about the same physical dimension as the Nikon Monarch.  It is also a fair bit smaller than the ZEN ED series x43 big brothers too.  Mine has an outstanding 3-D performance which is nearly porro like in appearance and also has an outstanding depth of field.  I don't have to use the focus much, but in closer you will need to focus more than you will at longer distances.  It has gotten some flak for not having razor sharp edges, but it is the only true wide angle 6-7x binocular on the market I can think of off the top of my head.
 
I'd be surprised if you don't like it a lot.
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6X is like a world war one field binocular. Great for scanning.

I've still got a 6X32 on my list of binos to buy. I like the look of the katmai glasses, but their eyecups dissapoint me. I'm actually tempted by some of the newer steiner options too.
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Originally posted by TV-PressPass TV-PressPass wrote:

I've still got a 6X32 on my list of binos to buy.
I like the look of the katmai glasses, but their eyecups dissapoint me. 
Please explain further about the eyecups.

If it is the oversized diameter of the holes,
I believe that it was done for the benefit of those who wear eyeglasses or sunglasses. Cool

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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

Originally posted by TV-PressPass TV-PressPass wrote:

I've still got a 6X32 on my list of binos to buy.
I like the look of the katmai glasses, but their eyecups dissapoint me. 
Please explain further about the eyecups.

If it is the oversized diameter of the holes,
I believe that it was done for the benefit of those who wear eyeglasses or sunglasses. Cool

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Stan, maybe I can help here.  The adjustability of the eyecups, in my opinion is not a well thought-out design.  I once dropped mine in mud while hunting, and by the time I was back at camp they had locked up on me.  I had to send them back to Leupold to be fixed.  Of course, they fixed them no problem, no charge, but they eyecups are the shortcoming of these for sure, especially for hard users like me.

I received my ZR ED2s today, and took them to the truck to check next to the Katmais.  What a difference!  The ED2s aren't perfect for sure, but they are clear and have a good sweet spot.  There is some edge distortion--maybe the outer 20% of the view, but CA is great.  Side-by-side, with one eye in the focused Katmais and one eye in the focused ED2s on an object 200yds away, the image in the 7x ED2s was definitely NOT 30% smaller than the 10x katmai's, and the clarity and difference in CA was substantial.  Of course the FOV just blows the katmais away, but that's to be expected.  All-in-all, for the price, I couldn't be more tickled.  I'm going to check them tonight at last light, again against the Leupy's, and see how they do in low light scenarios.  Thanks for all the recs.  These demos surpassed my expectations.
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Originally posted by DCAMM94 DCAMM94 wrote:

Stan, maybe I can help here.  The adjustability of the eyecups, in my opinion is not a well thought-out design.  I once dropped mine in mud while hunting, and by the time I was back at camp they had locked up on me.  I had to send them back to Leupold to be fixed.  Of course, they fixed them no problem, no charge, but they eyecups are the shortcoming of these for sure, especially for hard users like me.

Decker,

I'm wondering how many other binocular eyecups on the market would have acted any different, after taking a drop in the mud.  

The Leupold Katmai is waterproof.

If it had happened to me, I probably would have turned on the warm water, in the sink, and washed the mud out of the eyecups. 
Once the mud was washed out of the eyecups I would have added a drop of gun oil in the two tracks of each eyecup to get it working smoothly.

Personally, I think any twist-up eyecup with mud in it is not going to function.  Wink

Just my two cents worth.  

My wife & I own the Leupold Katmai 6x32mm. The FOV is 8.1* or 425' @ 1000yds.
Hopefully it will never end up in the mud, but, who knows. 

Stan




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Unfortunately no running water at camp. I realize they are waterproof, but the exposed track just seem to be a shortcut that could have been avoided rather easily from an engineering standpoint. They're fine for what they are, but the glass, to my eye, could be better for what I paid, and in direct comparison, the ED 2s win easily. Just my opinions. We don't have to agree. Cheers.

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