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 I have a chance to buy a Sightron SII 4.5 - 14 42MM IRMD in mint shape  for $220.00 . What is the difference between the BIG SKY newer version and this one ... except the newer version does NOT have the IR which I want very badly ? Are the lenses or internals that much better ?  No they had no problems with the IR ... called Sightron to verify . Just a cost cutting omission . Is this a good price ? And i don't care if this one has their new rainguard/antifog coating or not .

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the S II is a very good scope and if I wanted a IR that price wouldn't make me think twice. I was all set to order a Cooper model 52 until I was told about the 8 to 10 month wait so i bought two scopes to up grade some of mine. One was a conquest 3.5x10x50 the other a big sky 3.5x10x50 and between the two I prefer the sightron it's brighter in low light and clearer to me plus a whole lot cheaper.
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 If you won't buy it I will.  I have that scope and it is has excellent clarity at all magnification levels.  Keep this in mind also.  Since Sightron is unable to match an IR scope on the SII level they will replace it with a Big Sky verision if anything EVER goes wrong with it.   I know this from first hand experience.  I also recently did a visual test at 1/2 hour after sundown between Kahles CL 3-9x42 and a Big Sky 6-20x50 and I could not notice any difference at all between the two at 6x even till the whtietail decoy in my back yard couldn't be seen by either scope at pitch dark.   I know one is 50 objective lens and the other 42 and I am not sure about the exit pupil of each at that power but I can tell you that Big Sky is hard to beat for quality of glass and Sightron has a long standing reputation for repeatable adjustments of turets. 
 
I vote that you don't buy it and give me the chanceYippee
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 Oh....also the Mil Dot works a little differently than on most rifle scopes.  Here is a link to an explaination of this difference.
 
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 Now remember this one I am thinking about IS NOT a Big Sky  Grumpy . They are different . So info on the BS is good but I really don't want a non IR scope . What I need is how much less in quality and/or lenses is the pre big sky scope . But what I'm reading is .... buy this one .... correct  guys ?
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I know that your are not looking at a Big Sky I have a 1.5x6x42 and the 2.5x8x42 that are just SIIs and like them the 2.5x8 is on a 378 Weatherby with no muzzle brake and i can't think of a tougher test than that I will probably break before the scope does.
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Originally posted by mercenary1947 mercenary1947 wrote:

  What I need is how much less in quality and/or lenses is the pre big sky scope . But what I'm reading is .... buy this one .... correct  guys ?
 
 Even though I do own the scope in question I am probably not going to be much help other than to compare the quality of glass in the S2 ( I own 4 of them)  with other scopes that I also own (limited experience).  I can say that I was rather shocked at the very low rating of the Sightron SII on the SWFA rating scale.  I am not an optics expert but if you will read the info in the link that I sent you will get at least one mans opinion of the quality of glass.
 
 Allen at Sightron has said that the BIG SKY series is an upgrade in optical quality from the SII and is the same glass offered in the SIII series.  That in itself doesn't offer much helpful info but you do know that there is a difference in quality from SII and Big Sky.  I just sold my 6-20x50 Big Sky scope but I can tell you that the optical brightness and clarity was at least equal to any that I have seen.  I do know that the SII boasts 95% light transmission as opposed to 97% for the Big Sky and SIII. 
 
 I know that you love the Nikon Monarch and I would guess that the optical quality of the SII is a tad below that even though each receives their glass from Light Optical Works I do believe.  I do have to assume that in light of the fact that Sightron has the most customer service oriented philosophy I have seen in a rifle scope manufacturer and the fact that everyone agrees that the windage and elevation adjustments are very accurate and repeatable on all of their scopes that the professionals at SWFA must feel that the quality of glass is lacking.  I can't see it with my 53 yr old eyes but I just don't have all of the other brands of scopes to compare........Doug
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I don't know squat about SII. But I do know someone who does, PM Koshkin. He can give you the low down on most all of them.
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I own the Big Sky in 4x16x42 and it is a fantastic scope.  Compared it to a zeiss scope and could not see any discernible difference in optical quality.  The Big Sky is supposed to be an upgrade in optical glass from the SII scopes. It has 80 moa in elevation 1/8 clicks, tracks great, keeps its zero... and the target knobs are re-adjustable back to zero.  Brightness and clarity is kept at all magnifciations and has a fast focus bell.  You don't need a spotter if shooting at 200 yds. because I could see 30 cal. bullet holes at maximum magnification on a bright sunny day in Texas with 99 degree temperatures.  Mirage was not really an issue.  Best of all Sightron has a lifetime no fault warranty in which they will replace your scope with a new one if yours gets broken. 
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