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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tip69 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/23/2019 at 09:13
what ammo are you guys using in your carry pieces?  And what are you using in your Home defense pieces?
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:


On drag, I've now shot most of my small guns and they all show a fair bit. I think striker/firing pin design comes to bear greatly on longevity. Of the stuff I have shot and seen a significant drag, the G43 is the worst, and I find no complaints of broken strikers - or not many.

Talking with Sig CS and was told that firing pin has a thicker neck to it due to the primer drag that they can’t seem to resolve. And was also told that the changes were on July 2018 and newer.
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Wow... been awhile since I've shot I guess.   anyway, windier than cack here today, but I got some trigger time in anyway.  the temps are up and I put 100 more rounds down the tube, without a glove today, and no issues, it shot great and felt even better!!    I even shot some 1 handed.  I have to figure out how to adjust these sights, cause it still prints low and to the left a bit.
 
most of the hits were in the "zone"   but I did have 2 that were way off... not sure what I did wrong on those two.  still shooting plinking rounds, so maybe it was a quality control issue, but it could have been me too.  a flinch or something.  of the 100 I fired, I picked up 99 of the brass.  So 1 might have been me for sure.
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Shooting left may mean not enough finger on the trigger so you push it left. Low often means a slight mash. That might help
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For that gun, I run the lighter stuff with the red filler in the cavity, they print perfectly and do the job downrange from short barrels, I hear.

For my bigger stuff, it is Federal LE or the tried-n-true hydra-shok. I know there is newer stuff, but I've seen what the do.

I have a mix of everything, but these are what I have most of. That said, I run a 9mm SBR too, that gets 147-gr Browning - something. I can look if you really care.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Shooting left may mean not enough finger on the trigger so you push it left. Low often means a slight mash. That might help
 
most of the early shots were in coldish weather and I wore a glove cause it beat the sh*t out of my trigger finger (recoil I think)  Today was warmer weather and I took the glove off... seemed like I got my finger on the trigger all the way.   I will pay more attention next time out.   I need to buy carry ammo now and get a good picture of how that works and go from there.
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Before you move sights. I would have another competent shooter or two see how they shoot with it. 

I have owned between 20 and 30 handguns over the years and so far none of mine have needed sight adjustments.  Not saying it don’t happen but i think they are on much more often than off.  

I have watched lots of students in pistol classes complain their sights are off so an instructor will grab their gun and hit right where they aim. 

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ok.  it might be a recoil thing... I had a similar issue with a Taurus carry size.  I don't have issues with larger handguns, so I assumed it was the sights.
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Alrighty, in a moment of weakness, and because I didn't already have one, I broke down and bought a P365 yesterday. Mine was manufactured this month, so it incorporates the changes Sig made (but refuses to talk about) to the radius size at the base of the firing pin projection on the striker. Anyway, the P365 does have a very good trigger, very nice sights, and it was simply hard for me to ignore the black magic of a gun that's slightly smaller than a Glock 43 but offers 4 more rounds mag capacity (and 6 more in the 12+1 mag!). 

Hopefully I'll take her to the range this weekend...if it ever stops raining!
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As said on another thread here, the 365 now has a 15-round mag option. It extends significantly beyond the base of the gun, but is a good option for backup mags.
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I see I haven't posted here since I've shot the manual safety P365, so here goes.
The P365 came with 2 10 round mags, and I picked up a new Sig 12 round mag as well. All 3 mags have different bases, with one 10 rounder having no hook at the base to support the little finger, something I don't need. The other 10 and 12 round mags have the supports for the little finger with the 12 rounder being slightly longer than the 10 round mag. Since the P365 is replacing the PPK/s and will be an off duty/backup weapon, the 15 round magazine isn't needed right now.

I shot the P365 at reduced size steel torso targets from about 15 and 20 yards. I was standing in the shade and a thunderstorm was rolling in, so the light wasn't great. I also only shot 32 rounds from the 3 fully loaded mags because of the storm.

I was afraid that when I fired the pistol with 115gr. fmj Federal 9mm it may be a little snappy, uncomfortable, and a little uncontrollable. To my pleasant surprise, it was as comfortable if not more so than the PPK/s was. Not having to worry about shooting an uncomfortable pistol made it easy to make hits on my 2 targets. So easy that I tried to hit my steel target at 60yds with a round or two. I might need a little more practice to pull that one off. I was able to make head shots on my 15 and 20yd targets though. So far from what I can tell, this is an accurate little pistol for it's purpose. It beats a snub nose .38 in my opinion.

The safety was easy enough to operate, and the mag release was too. Again, for what this pistol is, the controls are reasonably easy to use. I have no complaints about the sights; they were easy to pick up and use. If I had any complaint about this pistol, it would be loading the magazines. They were like loading the last 2 rounds in a new Glock magazine for almost every round, and I had just loaded 3 new Glock magazines 3 times each. Maybe my thumb was just sore and tired, but the P365 mags weren't easy to load.

Overall I REALLY like the P365. It's not a duty pistol, but it is a great off duty/backup pistol. It's a great replacement for the pistol I carried for over 40 years for the same job.
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Yeah, I didn’t want to pick up a 15 round mag due to length. Mine came with the 12-rounder as well as 2 10s, with the same base plate difference Lynn mentioned above. I don’t want the grip to protrude any more than the 12- round mag provides and I feel 12+1 with an additional 10 on hand is plenty for carry. 
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The mags are indeed not pleasant to load, and they seem to stay that way, or mine has. There is good and bad in that: they don't take much of a "set", as some springs do; but they don't get easier to load either.

This is not a "fun at the range" gun anyway, so I am good with very reliable mags.

I'll get a few 15s to keep in car and vest, but yea, if I need a service weapon, this ain't it, but it'll do in a pinch.
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Took the P365 on its maiden range session today, along with my PPQ. Put 100 rounds through each. I was very surprised at how well I was able to shoot the little P365! It was far more controllable than I expected, and I was able to shoot it as “flat” as the PPQ. The 12 round mag certainly helps in that regard by providing more real estate for my hands. 

I had no malfunctions/stoppages of any kind. Groups out of the P365 were only about 20% larger than the PPQ, a gun I have about 3000 rounds through and just feels right to me. Considering how tiny the P365 is compared to the PPQ and the fact this was my first range session with it, I’m ecstatic over how well it shoots! Setting it side by side with my other pistolas, I’m still stunned by its mag capacity:size ratio! Even with the 12 rd mag, it’s smaller than all but 2 or 3 single stack micro nines I’m aware of. Because of this, I will most likely carry it in 12+1 config if it continues to perform as it did today.

I tried to come up with something to criticize about the P365, and the only real criticism I can come up with is the last 2 rounds are tough to load into the magazine, especially that final round. In fact, thumb soreness was what limited today’s round count to 100. 

So far so good!
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Mine is still going strong, no issues yet. I like mine quite a bit.

As for the others, the M17 and the Xfive, they are also fun to shoot. I gotta say, for plinking, the Xfive is my favorite gun to shoot: plenty of ammo, super-fine aiming point with the green fiber optic, great ergonomics, entirely usable trigger, and it now wears an RMS and is very quick on target.

Sig does indeed mess up at times, but I do not count MY new guns among those mess-ups. Had I bought a gen1 365 and had a firing pin breakage, I would definitely be singing a very different tune.
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I have mixed feelings toward Sig as a company. On the one hand, I've always been a fan of their products, having owned a P229 and P239 for a long time, and more recently bought one of their suppressors, and now the P365. On the other hand, I really lost a lot of respect for them based on their recent attitude toward well-known design issues they've had that they chose to "sweep under the rug" rather than acknowledge and address in a responsible manner.

I don't fault them for design flaws and mistakes. Most companies who manufacture anything with any mechanical complexity in sufficiently large volume will make them sooner or later. It's how you handle your mistakes and your attitude toward your customers that matters.

Sig's behavior during the P320/M17 drop safety fiasco was simply inexcusable. If the same had happened with, say, Ruger, they would have immediately owned up to the mistake, done a mandatory recall by advertising in all firearms media telling their customers that the design is unsafe without the recall parts installed, and promptly replaced the parts. Ruger and other responsible firearms manufacturers go above and beyond in their concern for their customers' safety. Not Sig. To this day, they steadfastly maintain that the original design is still "safe," that the consumer should just be diligent in making sure he doesn't drop the gun, and called the remedy to the problem a "voluntary upgrade." They described the problem as "minimal" in frequency and said "these incidents occurred in conditions that appear to be outside of normal testing protocols." Rather than admit that the purpose of the "upgraded trigger" was to reduce mass so that trigger inertia could not cause the pistol to fire when dropped on the rear of the slide, Sig chose to explain the new trigger thusly: "the new trigger for the P320 pistol will feature a thinner profile and reduced mass. This is expected to improve the trigger-pull experience." Rather than admit the addition of a trigger bar disconnector was done to enhance drop safety, they chose to describe that addition thusly: "the updated slide will feature a disconnect notch near the striker assembly. This is a mechanical improvement over the previous commercial series of P320 pistols. These changes are expected to refine functionality for the pistol and improve both its ergonomics and performance." Wow!

See the Q&A from their website today, where they still deflect responsibility for a potentially dangerous condition with very carefully worded language:


As it pertains to the P365, they never publicly acknowledged the design flaws in the original gen that led to firing pin breakage, taking the same "nothing to see here folks" attitude they did with the P320 drop safety issue. Yet they tacitly admitted there was a problem by quietly redesigning the striker with a larger radius at the base of the firing pin protrusion...



When anyone sent in a first gen P365 for service, they installed the new striker on the bottom whether it needed replacement or not, without telling the customer it's a new design. This way, they avoid having to admit they made a mistake. Just another "upgrade" that they're providing the customer out of the goodness of their hearts.

Sig offers great products once the bugs are all worked out. Again, I don't fault Sig for making mistakes, and I feel that occasional mistakes are just part of the design process when offering something new and entirely different from previous designs. I'm a fan of many of Sig's products. So far, I really love the current P365 and hope it continues to love me back over the long haul. I would have bought a P365 much sooner had it not been for the cavalier attitude Sig has shown toward their loyal customers for their mistakes, as I believe the design to be a true game changer. It's hard to ignore a 12+1 capacity gun, with a good trigger, great OEM sights, good ergonomics, that shoots great, AND still manages to be a bit smaller than a G43! Still, Sig Sauer as a company entity needs to take a few lessons in humility and corporate ethics from competitors like Ruger.
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I agree they handle it in terrible ways, no question. I take issue with Trijicon for similar reasons, the primary difference being people generally cannot be killed by their product flaws.

Sig makes some awesome stuff, and doesn't like to talk about it when they do not.

The current gen 365 is a good one, and I carry it due to the thing, not the company or their many failures.
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