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Anybody got one, or fooled with one? 

I think I like the fact that it's one of the fewer .308 semi auto "battle rifles" that you can mount a scope without to much issue, (yes, I'm familiar with the AR-10) AND the Siggy is gas piston and NOT direct impingement.  

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I have one, it took some tinkering, but now runs like the well oiled machine that it is (AR10s need lube, lube, and more lube!)

Mine is the 16" barrel version, it is quick handling and well balanced with a decent sized optic on it. I still have the original buttstock but may change it eventually.  Mine runs suppressed all the time, so I have swapped the buffer for a hydraulic version to slow the cycle time.  The trigger was garbage, it now wears a drop-in Timney.  The trigger pin pin hole was a little oversize, not a great fit, so I added the KNS captive pin set, not to prevent rotation of the hammer pin (they don't rotate in the Timney self-contained) but to keep all pins where they go.
With handloads, it comes in about 1 MOA, maybe a little better if I ever put it on a bipod - which brings up the one issue I have with mine.  The 16" barrel means there is less rail space than the 18" variant.  I run a pressure switch for a PEQ-15 that tapes to a vertical grip, so there is little room for a bipod up front.  If I had it to do over again, I might opt for the 18" so I could more comfortably accommodate bipod and grip.

Lastly, there was a change to the design sometime in 2013, the first design had some reliability issues, as I understand it, the redesign took care of those.  Mine is the new design, it had a few bobbles in breakin (I thought I had enough lube, I was wrong) but has run very smoothly since.

It is slightly larger than an M4 and significantly increases my kill radius, which gives me an edge in the deadly arts, that is a good thing.

It also runs pmags of the standard type, no proprietary mags - which is awesome. I'll try to get a picture up of mine.  I rattle-canned it so the kids would think I was cooler, and so if I lose it in the woods, no one will ever be able to find it, not even me.
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What about the Scar 17?
 
Heard good thinks. 
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I would avoid it, but that's just me.  It has unique issues and I doubt will be a player much longer.


Holy hell, you have over 27000 posts.    When do you have time to shoot!
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Thanks, RC. 
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Went out Saturday to check out the Siggy. I must say, for an AR....it was pretty darn nice. It was, as often reported, a bit heavy, but she balanced out real nice. 

Still not sure if I shouldn't just save up my denaros and get my dream rifle. The LRB M-14 clone. 
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That depends entirely upon the purpose and use of the rifle.  If it is to own because you have always wanted one, get the M14; if it is to shoot, I'd get the Sig.

M14s are cool as hell, and are a very practical battle weapon, but they have MANY limitations - the same can be said for the 1911.

I still owe you a picture, sorry, busy as hell.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I would avoid it, but that's just me.  It has unique issues and I doubt will be a player much longer.


Holy hell, you have over 27000 posts.    When do you have time to shoot!

What are the SCAR 17 issues?

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Their contract was amended, that won't help.

I don't care for the recoil impulse.  It isn't so much that the gun is piston, the sig is piston, I just don't like how it recoils, the muzzle moves too much and in ways I am not accustomed to.

Also some have had durability issues with a few of the weight-saving materials used.

For me, it came down to not liking the recoil, and a fundamental disagreement between myself and FN regarding what the gun is worth.

I do not have significant time behind one, just a few mags running suppressed, but that is all it took for me.
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RC, where's those pics you promised?? 

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Will you be happy with anything but the M-14 clone?  You could always get a M1A base model or socom or such to start with and still shoot it as you save for the conversion parts.
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Will you be happy with anything but the M-14 clone?  You could always get a M1A base model or socom or such to start with and still shoot it as you save for the conversion parts.

That's a pretty good suggestion, Brother. 

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I highly recommend you buy both, but you know me; I'm not exactly the poster boy for restraint when it comes to buying guns.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I highly recommend you buy both, but you know me; I'm not exactly the poster boy for restraint when it comes to buying guns.

Your NOT helping, Mr. Dude!! 
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The 716 and 516 are exceptional values. I bought a LWRCI REPR. Great gun. But if the 716 had been out at that time, i would have bought a 716 and a 516 and had change back!
Those guns are the beginnings of "operator grade". After that come POF and LWRCI. When i bought my 516 i was almost swayed to the LWRCI M6. I just could not justify the extra grand.
I just put a SS1-6X24 on the 516. That rig is truly a joy to shoot.
We buy guns like M1A,FN FAL,HK91 etc because we love em. They represent a time when we always wanted one. I get it.
Times have changed and today we have a real standard. With guns like the 716 or REPR and POF out there, i cant imagine trying to justify anything else.
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Thank you for your comments. I'm pretty sure I "need" a forged receiver M-14. Wink 

I don't want no teenage queen. I just want my M 14 Soldier
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Hahaha. I know what you mean man.
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Originally posted by MikieG MikieG wrote:


"...We buy guns like M1A,FN FAL,HK91 etc because we love em. They represent a time when we always wanted one. I get it.
Times have changed and today we have a real standard. With guns like the 716 or REPR and POF out there, i cant imagine trying to justify anything else."


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