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Going to get a shotgun next year, and would welcome some advise from the good folks here.

 

Deer hunting, goose/pheasant, home defense in pinch.

 

Semi auto's only!!

Synthetic

12 guage

Left handed, if possible.

 

Considering a Benelli Super Black Eagle, in the LH config., w/ a 24" barrel and a slug barrel.

Beretta's are awful nice too though.

 

Thanks in advance and Happy Thanksgiving to all! 

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While on paper you can make one gun do all three, fish and game tends to frown on flashlight forends and extended magazines.   If you want a shotgun for defence, then it should be a dedicated gun 24/7.  It should have a sling, a flashlight forend, and sights that glow in dark while supporting the use of slugs.

 

Most guys want a scope on a slug gun or at least a red dot.  The red dot is great for CQB, but a scope is not.

 

You can do duck and deer for two out of three.  You can do deer and defence for two out of three, but I hate messing around with a flashlight and a shotgun at the same time.  There is too much going on at once.  

 

It may be a bit vanilla, but the 11-87's is a great choice, because it is a tad eaiser on the shoulder. It is also easier to get stuff for.  Go to Wilsons web page and see the "SGT" shotguns.  My freinds who have the various "B" guns have found them well made, but a bit over hyped.



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Thanks silver.

 

Yeah, Rem. is all I need. I don't need a Gucci shotgun like a Benelli or Berreta.

 

Good point about a dedicated home defense weapon too. My Glock serves that role very well the way it is.

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Benelli is pretty hard to beat.  I have also had good luck with the Winchester Super X2.

 

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Originally posted by ranburr ranburr wrote:

Benelli is pretty hard to beat.  I have also had good luck with the Winchester Super X2.

 

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Thanks, ranburr.

 

I read somewhere that the Winchester was actually as fast as the Benelli. Is it as reliable??

I won't have weapon that jams.... 

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Shotguns are more personal than rifles, if you shoot a lot. Remingtons have been designed with stocks that fit the most people, if you have unusal cast off or rise in the barrel (for aiming) you will need a stock with inserts. Personally I like a lot of rise in the barrel thus seeing the entire rib not just the beads. The Winchester (Browning owns winchester) gas systems are the best out there, I have a Browning Fusion in 26" that will cycle both 7/8 oz skeet loads (which I shoot a lot of about 5000-6000 total) and 3" , I had a Benelli Montefeltro (sp) that wouldn't. The cycle rate is not the same amongst shotguns. Inertial guns cycle low power shells, 7/8 oz slower that the same gun using 3 mag. Also you must shoot about 100-200 3 inch shells initial to break the spring down in order to cycle 7/8 at all and then it is critical how "tight' you hold the gun. My 11/87 and Fusion will cylce 7/8 oz loads while holding the gun around a corner and shooting with 1 hand (IPSC 3 gun matches). Any of them can cycle as fast as the shooter can get back on the sight picture. Benelli and Bereta none gas system "kick more" becasue the recoil impulse is not spread out over as long of a time frame as a gas gun. The other major differences is a side release latch, Remingtons are the only one that will close the chamber while inserting a round, a definite plus in a "combat" shotgun. Both Benelli and Winchester types will cause "thumb catch" on a fast load. (very painful). With the advent of heavy shot I wouldn't even worry about 3 in mag anymore, and just get a good 2 3/4".

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The Super X2 is extremely reliable. 

 

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I am not sure which Beretta that Dale is referring to, but, I own a AL 391 that I love and it is a VERY soft shooting gas operated shotgun. It comes with a shim system to allow the owner to adjust the cast-off and heel drop to suit almost everyone. The Remington 11-87 is a nice gun, but, it doesn't fare very well against the 391. I shoot a ton of skeet with this gun and malfunctions are practically non-existent. The 391 is very popular in the Sporting Clays arena also. I have to agree with Dale on his advise to not mix a hunting gun with a home defense tool. If your funds permit, keep them separate. Good luck!!!

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The 391's are nice, and a clay-bird shooters favorite, but they are gas. Berretta actually owns the rights to the inertial recoil system and sell guns under the 2000 series as Tactical shotguns. (pistol grips, rifle sights etc.). Benellis pay them for the rights to make their guns and are not the orginators although probably the most well known. The 11-87 comes in a left hand as well as the Fusion, I don't know on the 391. Part of tactical shotgun training demands that the gun be held on the target with the right hand, ready to fire, while a load is fed into the magazine with the left hand from either a side saddle or a belt. If you shoot dry, with a Rem. two rounds can be drawn one placed in the chamber, and one fed into the bottom closing the action. No other shotgun will (auto) allow this. Of course such a manuver is not allowed in trap and skeet so this group of shotgun shooters are not aware of this particular need in a tactical shotgun. If you need this, your decision is clear, Remington, if not any of the guns above, will work. To grind on, doubles, over and unders and single barrel trap guns would be obsolete if more than one shell could be fired per thrown bird which is a hold over from the black powder days. A "best" solutiion is an 11-87 with a skeet barrel or light contour, with Rem chokes and Millet shotgun mounts with a 1" dot scope, Choate mag extension, (lights are bullet magnets and for police who must follow policy). Simply drop of the dot, take off the Choate and your ready for bird season.
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Its tough to beat a REM 1100 or 11-87. I've had the same 1100 since I was about 15 Its never given me any problems and shoots anything I throw in it from 000 buck to 7 1/2 reloads. It even reliably functions with the new reduced recoil 00 & slugs.

 

Plus they have been around so long everypne and their brother makes accessories for them to custom fit or personalize them

 

Here she is in her latest form:

 

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Why only limit the thing to one use.  A lot of shotguns I've been looking at come with two barrels.  And a home defense gun does not have to be only limited to home defense.  Get yourself a gun that comes with a long and short barrel switch em out after you come home with your birds and tada.  A nice short barrelled 12 gauge for home defense.  You want a light.  Zip tie your surefire or whatever you got to the short barrel and velcro the pressure pad to the forward grip.  Easy and it works.
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Originally posted by Mithran Mithran wrote:

Why only limit the thing to one use.  A lot of shotguns I've been looking at come with two barrels.  And a home defense gun does not have to be only limited to home defense.  Get yourself a gun that comes with a long and short barrel switch em out after you come home with your birds and tada.  A nice short barrelled 12 gauge for home defense.  You want a light.  Zip tie your surefire or whatever you got to the short barrel and velcro the pressure pad to the forward grip.  Easy and it works.

 

Ok, I'll come and back fill on this area.  First most auto shotguns are set up for one range of loads(heavy or light).  Deer, Duck and Defence all are" heavy loads".  Most upland loads are "light". You need a gun tuned to the one you need.

 

You have a moral and legal ( and hence finacial) obligation for every shot you fire (and all it pellets).

 

"Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong!"  Murphy

 

The four rules by John Dean "Jeff" Cooper:

1) The Gun is always loaded.

2) Do not point the gun at anything you are not willing to Destroy.

3) Keep you finger off the trigger untill you sights are alinged on the target.

4)Positivily identifiy your target and what is beyound it.

 

I believe in a flashlight forearm and will now go into why.  I bought my defencive shotgun without one. Then I went to shotgun class... Try running the gun, the light and doing things like opening doors all at the same time. 

 

"Jerry" rigging things does not cut it.  Tywraps break at the wrong time. They require a spacer that falls out at the wrong time.  Attach to the barrel???  What about guns whose barrel moves like the two the orginal poster asked about? You are in a violent situation, with a gun that is recoiling violently, now you wish to tywrap a light to the barrel which MUST must recoil more violently than the rest of the gun to work properly? According to Mister Murphy one of two things will happen. A) The light will fall off or... B) The gun will jam because of the weight of the stuff holding light on will not let the gun cycle as it should.

 

When I was in Shotgun class, I remember two guns not going down.  My 870 and a State Trooper's 870.  Most of the problem was the fact that people were running auto "entry" guns with NFA barrels so, YMMV. It is not if things break, but when things break.  When things break, you still have to be able to control the situation.   

 

You are going to be too busy as it is to mess with things that may or may not work. Training will help you shake things out.  Take a class from an instructor who has a good back ground in defencive shotgun (There are not as many as who claim to teach it.)  It will force you to work the bugs out. That is the point of using a dedicated gun for defence; it allows you to control as many things as you can, while all hell is breaking loose. 

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Sorry for the absence, fellas. Work has reared it's ugly head lately.

 

Good stuff on this thread, I must say.

Hell, I even drug Mithran out of the wood work to reply. Good to see you, Buddy.

 

Good points made by all.

 

Silver:

I have been to a few weapons classes in my day, carbine/pistol, but never a dedicated shotgun/CQB school. That's a great idea!

Any recommendations??

 

But, I must admit, my hand gun is my primary home defense weapon.

 

In a SHTF situation, I would probably run by two shot guns and a carbine to grab my Glock, because that's the way I have trained.

 

I love a carbine, but in a civilian enviorment/CQB situation those 5.56 rounds are going to go through walls and BG's and possibly hurt or kill an innocent by stander and I can't have that.

 

I'm really glad I started this thread because of the great feedback and I have discovered that I need to reevaluate my weapon situation.

 

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Originally posted by dilligaf dilligaf wrote:

Its tough to beat a REM 1100 or 11-87. I've had the same 1100 since I was about 15 Its never given me any problems and shoots anything I throw in it from 000 buck to 7 1/2 reloads. It even reliably functions with the new reduced recoil 00 & slugs.

 

Plus they have been around so long everypne and their brother makes accessories for them to custom fit or personalize them

 

Here she is in her latest form:

 

 

Very nice, Joe!!

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Cheap trick,

 

Re: Shotgun class recomendations: Louis Awerbuck YFA, Randy Cain, and Gunsite would be my top picks.  Louis "founded" the shotgun class at Gunsite.  Randy has been a student Louie's for years in addition to being a cop, running a martial arts studio and now his own firearms traing company.  The class I was at was hosted by Randy with Louis teaching some years ago.  We had Nashville SWAT, Vice, State police members with their LAWYER and EMT buddy taking the class; very enlightening. 

 

You may want to host a class.  Get six to eight people to lay down a deposit and you should be good to go.

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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

You may want to host a class.  Get six to eight people to lay down a deposit and you should be good to go.

 

Funny you mention this, because a bud from NY asked me to be the "administration dude" for him last night as he is wanting to host Jeff Gonzales in Febuary some time for either a CQB style class or an advanced carbine class of some sort.

Maybe I could ask Mr. Gonzales if he could hook me up on some CQB shotgun technics while we have him there??  

 

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For those of you not familiar with Jeff Gonzales, here's a link to his website. Looks like he offers a "Combative Shotgun" class too.

 

My buddy in NY has spent BIG $$$'s training, and said he liked Trident Concepts as well as any.

 

http://www.tridentconcepts.com/index.asp



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House entry and clearing techniques are for police, a civilian either wraps the building in C-4 and detonates (just joking) or takes a fortified position (already planned out) that controls the light and the channel of fire, alternate communications channels to outside sources etc. A pump shot gun cannot be opereated with a hurt arm nor with the gun "resting' on something, curb, mattress, bed, 50 lb drum of concrete. Police methods are in most cases not suitable for civilian defense, (thumb break holsters) and in some cases not as legally defendable. Civilians should develop and practice in their own homes a "plan". Police are going to do whatever it is that they do- the two concepts should never be mixed up. A police officer receiving the correct training (whatever that is) for his or her circumstance should not hold this up as being suitable for civilians. I've had Gunsite and shot with Awerback (who uses slugs in his own gun incidentaly), I've also won many 3-gun IPSC matches, but am the first to say it has absolutely nothing to do with home defense techniques other than becoming very proficient with the manual of arms of the weapon. Here are some outstanding tools I use in my "pit"

Two C battery mag lights not on any gun.

Hearing protection with electronic sound amplification (the most important single item).

Several 4th of July Whistlers and smoke bombs.

safety glasses (googles or shooting glasses)

Turn on as many lights as possible, if they shut them off they give away their location

If the person or persons have cut your power before they will be smart and planned enough to defeat most of your defenses.

There is always one more person than you can see.

Gun lights are good for seeing doggy bones on the floor that you stepped on because you forget your shoes and didn't have a plan and thought the gun light was all you needed.

 

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Dale:

 

Interesting thread, as usual.

I'm not sure what your saying though. Are you saying that a police officer should have CQB training, and I a civilian should not? Or do I misunderstand your intent, Sir?

 

To me, having good CQB training would enhance my survival chances if my home is ever invaded, and would make me a better rounded "soldier" in the process.

 

I take my weapons handling and ownership seriously. I certainly think that someday I will have to defend my home from either US or foreign entities who will try to take my guns from me. 

 

Case in point, the "good guys" in New Orleans that cops kicked in their doors of their homes and tried to disarm them....For their own good of course. I'm not having it!!!

I may seem to be a little extreme but frankly I don't care how this comes across. Any gun owner that thinks ANY US political figure wants us to be armed, is deceived, to say the least.

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[QUOTE=silver]

The four rules by John Dean "Jeff" Cooper:

1) The Gun is always loaded.

2) Do not point the gun at anything you are not willing to Destroy.

3) Keep you finger off the trigger untill you sights are alinged on the target.

4) Positivily identifiy your target and what is beyound it.

 

 

Doesn't having a flashlight mounted to your gun tend to violate "Cooper's" rule number 2?  (And potentially rules 3 and 4 for that matter!) These might be cool looking and you can pretend you are SWAT or HRT or something while you watch reruns of Die Hard, but people (read civilians) who actually put these on their guns tend to make me a little nervous.  Civilians (myself included - I'm not knocking on anyone here) just don't train enough to remember in a SHTF situation to keep their fingers off the trigger, etc. 



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What's up there cheaptrick.  Why do all these people come out with so many different weapon safety rules.  Jimmy rigging does cut it, I can think of numerous times I rigged something and it worked just fine or better.  It makes me laugh that all kinds of people think because it looks ugly, or doesn't cost more that $50 to $100 it won't work.  Puhhh

 

1)  Treat every weapon as if it were loaded (always)

2)  Never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot (umm an intruder is someone I intend to shoot, and a light, weapon mounted or not is going help me ID what I'm pointing at, I can always lower the weapon if they're friendly, target identification is a given)

3)  Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to shoot (my sites aren't going to be aligned when I pull a S&W .38 snub nose out of my pocket and shoot from 2 to 7 feet away

4)  Keep your weapon on safe until you are ready to fire (always)

 

K.I.S.S.

 

Any gun that can make good sized holes can be used for home defense.

 

 



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Mithran:

Most people don't follow your rule # 3.

 



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It is interesting how many hits this topic has created, good thing it's not on compensators. Most serious gun people take extra steps in gun "learning", either from curousity or responsible ownership of firearms. Most gun owners are semi inbetween somewhere picking up what seems to be "tips" from here and there. Taking a house clearing class is certainly alot of fun, but doesn't really prepare the shooter as well as a good plan that has been practiced and all the household members know their part in the drama. Swat type tactics make use of the fact of numbers, which they usually have a lot of. If the first guy in gets shot because they made a mistake there is someone behind him etc, it's their job. You or your family cannot take a hit. Given you and an equally prepared opponent your chances of winning are only 33% because there are 3 out comes not 2. You must assume your opponent is as least as good as you are with a weapon, assuming that, if I were the bad guy I would shoot your shoot gun light out and you so fast----or any target threat. Gun schools are great for cops, if on the stand they simple say they were doing what they were trained to do. As a house member did you do what you did from self defense or what you learned in a high powered, action packed, gun toten, etc. Is this what a reasonable man would do?
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Dale hit it on the head.  You can take all the classes in the world, and still end up dead with one shot.  Planning is everything and I'm not saying I don't approve of people taking classes.  Any time you can further your knowledge is a good thing, unless you learn bad habits on the way and we know how hard those are to break.

 

cheaptrick, I would hope a lot of people followed the weapon safety rules I listed.  There the weapon safety rules followed by the military.  Just a thought.

 

Also does everyone know what percent of casualties there are to be expected in urban combat?  95% on both sides, just thought I'd throw that in too. 



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Dale:

 

A reasonable man in my state N.C., has every right to defend his home from a invasion.

Killing the intruder, if necessary, so long as the invader is not trying to get away from the scene.

(ie: Don't shoot the guy in the back or your going bye-bye.) 

 

I have taken 5 or 6 good courses on weapons training and consider it a wise investment. And had a ball doing it.

I'm a better, safer, more aware weapons handler because of it. 

I didn't tale those classes to be a bad ass.

 

Good points made by all.

 

And yes Dale, this thread has gotten more hits than I ever thought it would.

 

Thanks to all and good shooting!!

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