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I think I've made my decision but I'm interested to hear the opinions of others.  I'm mostly a recreational shooter shooting targets of milk jug size from 100 to 800 yards.  I shoot a 308 and have recently found a load that does quite well with heavier loads so vertical travel is somewhat important to me but I've already got a 20MOA Badger base.  I've also already got the lowest badger rings (which on my LTR will allow for a 50mm NF to be mounted). 

In all my reading I've been very fond of the idea of a NF 5.5-22X50mm with Mil turrets and MLR reticle.  I have held and played with NF scopes and currently still like them but I really dislike the fact that the entire eyepiece turns when adjusting the magnification.  With a butler creek cap on the eyepiece anytime the button is near 6 o'clock I was unable to cycle my bolt.  I also don't really like having the cap flip straight up as it then obscures viewing of the turret.  Other than that I've VERY impressed with the NF glass and for my usage I don't see the need or reason to spend any more to get the USO or S&B.  The one reason that I'd consider going to USO or S&B would be to get FFP but I don't think the delta in cost is really worth it.

Now being that I'm very close to being on the list to get a beautiful Snipers Hide Customized IOR 3-18X42mm (with mil turrets) and FFP for about $300 less than the NF how would you all play that out?  The only reason that I hesitate is that I've heard some bad things about IOR build strength and about their customer service.  LibertyOptics like SWFA are both very highly regarded for their customer support and I've nothing but the utmost respect and assurance that I'd be taken care of by Scott at Liberty so I'm not "too" worried about the lifetime warranty.  Personally I'd be PISSED if something went wrong on my scope and when I called IOR they blamed me for it!  One other worry I've had about the scope is the fact that it can't be mounted too far back and I worry about not having enough eye relief.  Honestly I think that won't be too big of an issue either now that I've been looking into it further and taken some measurements.  One very exciting thing is that the IOR has a larger tube and comes with rings that will allow me to mount it lower.  Honestly right now I'd REALLY like to be able to get my scope a bit lower than it is. 

Right now the temp scope on my rifle is a saddening Leupold 3-9X40mm VX-I (which is mounted on rings that would allow for a 50mm obj).  I already wish things were a tad lower (and I've already put on an eagle stock pack to get what added comb height I can).  I'm considering adding a piece of neoprene under the stock pack here soon to gain just a lil bit more.

There are several people here on the forums who have looked at NF and IOR together and have said that they'd go with the NF again if they were given the choice.  I'd be interested to hear from these people and understand why they'd take the IOR over the NF.  Please vote in the poll and let me know your reasons for the decision.  Especially if you have spent hands on time with both manufacturers.  The most difficult  thing for me is that I've never seen an IOR in any way shape or form.

Here are some links to the SH IOR:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showgall ery&Number=262435
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat &Number=205138#Post205138


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I own a NightForce and like it very (VERY) much.  I also own USO, Zeiss, Swaro - so I know and have shot good glass. 

 

I hate that the entire ocular rotates with power change, and I hate that the illumination has to be set with a jeweler's driver (since I don't have one in my day pack); HOWEVER, I would buy another NF in a second and would recommend it without hesitation to anyone looking for a great scope (and not depending on the scope in life-or-death situations with great frequency.)  And the ocular problem can be overcome with a blizzard cap.

 

All that said, I am on the list for a SH IOR - near the bottom, but on the list.  I have significant experience with NF and like them allot, but I am not buying a NF for my new 300WM, I am buying either IOR or US Optics (for which I expect to wait 10-12 weeks.)

 

I hear great things about IOR.  I really like the EREK-style turret (used on USO) and want one mostly for that reason.  I hear the glass is great, and the build construction is great.  Those I know who have shot NF and IOR say great things of both - and say the IOR costs less.

 

Lastly, SWFA has been nothing but outstanding for me.  They have gone far beyond the call of duty a time or 2 and I now hesitate to buy anything from anyone else.  I've been burned a few times with purchases elsewhere.  I'm an old fashioned-kinda shooter: if it ain't broke, don't fix it; and when it does break - they guy who sold it had damn sure better stand behind it and SWFA has been there for me every time.

 

 

 

In truth, my guess is that you will be over-freakin-joyed with either - especially compared to your Leupy.

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And I voted for NightForce, since they get no respect here.  But the IOR sounds pretty good too.
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Yea I like Leupold scopes but honestly this leupy is pissing me off for my needs!  As a hunting scope it would be great set it for PBR and never worry about adjusting the turrets.  3-9 is a fine power range for hunting.  My hunting rig right now probably won't be updated with the VX-I though when I get an IOR (if I get into this run of scopes).  My current hunting setup has a 4x Leupold Mountaineer scope on it.  Probably some of the clearer glass I've seen from Leupold (although it was made in the 50's).  I also like that the reticle is just a floating dot.  Its a wire reticle and you can just barely see the wires that are holding the dot but it holds zero like a champ and is a great scope for most hunting trips where shots are always 150 yards and in.  Hopefully one of these days I'll get to go out and take an antelope over in eastern Oregon.  From what I understand 300 to 600 yards can be common if you can take the shot.  (I'm going to have to be VERY confident on paper before I'll take a shot like that at an animal though).
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

And the ocular problem can be overcome with a blizzard cap.



Doesn't putting a cheap piece of plastic to look through kinda negate the whole point of getting really high quality glass?
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nope.  the cheap piece of plastic is very thin, absorbs very little light, and functions as it needs to.  In the event it does hamper (which has happened a few times), open it and you are good to go.

 

On the bench, flip it up or take it off and shoot away.  When stalking with your 12-pound tack-driver, keep it in place and don't worry about dirtying your optic.  I have hunted with my .308 with the blizzard down and taken a few fast shots.  if there is time to set up, there is time to flip it up and out of the way.

The spinning ocular housing is a pisser, but the cheap blizzard solves the problem most of the time.  If you only plan to shoot it on the bench, get a scope cover and don't worry about Butlers.

 

 

Obviously, it is a field-expedient fix to a problem that needs re-engineering.  But, if the option is not use NF or use a cheap blizzard cap, I choose the cap.  I like NF's glass, build, reticle, and adjustments.  I can deal with the cap because the scope excels in so many other areas.  But it does definitely suck at times.

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Of those two scopes, I'd probably be inclined to go with the IOR as well, simply because of the price difference, and this particular custom IOR with the improved knobs intrigues me.  That being said, like RC, I'm a big fan of NF scopes, of which I own 2, and agree that they don't get the respect they deserve here.  I don't care for the rotating eyepiece and the difficulty in setting the illumination rheostat to the preferred intensity, but otherwise, they are great scopes with terrific reticle selection, excellent build quality, and above average optics.  I own an IOR 30mm scope, and though I do think it has slightly better optics, better illumination control, and better eyepiece focus than NF, I like the NF side focus mechanism, knobs, adjustments, and appearance better than IOR.
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Appreciated...  I have nothing against the NF really.  It was my #1 choice until Scott came up with this custom IOR.  I think the IOR "erek" type knob will be nice especially once its renumbered.  I also see this scope going up in price by quite a bit after this first 100 and I think they'll still be flying off the shelves.
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Chris here at SWFA says IOR is adding the EREK-type knob to their line-up - as well as brining back FFP reticles.  To be honest. I have no idea what ht SH reticle is - the MP8 is fine with me.

 

I simply want the EREK knob on good glass with a nice, simple, effective etched reticle.  If I can buy a plane-jane 3-18 with those features, I will.  if I can get the SH version, I will.  If none of that happens, I might consider another NightForce or another US Optics.

 

You haven't mentioned US Optics - and they are amazing.  Granted, they run $2,000-3,000, but they are great.  I'd put my SN3 next to S&B's best and anticipate a close running. If you have time, allot o'

 cash, and a need for the very best battle-ready optic, consider USO.

 

But if you can get the SH IOR for half the price - consider that too, it's what I'm doing.

 

Koshkin, I anxiously await your review - with pictures.  I can spend the $3,000 for the USO, but I'd rather spend $1,300 on the scope and the rest on a custom camo job and lots o' ammo and practice.

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Given a choice of the NF or the IOR I would take the NF mainly because it uses a 30 mm ring and Badger makes that but not a 35. Also of interest is Leupold Mk4  6.5-20 FFP not out yet but soon.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Given a choice of the NF or the IOR I would take the NF mainly because it uses a 30 mm ring and Badger makes that but not a 35. Also of interest is Leupold Mk4  6.5-20 FFP not out yet but soon.


Seekins Precision makes a great set of rings and from what I understand the IOR rings that come with the IOR scope are pretty good from what I understand.  Just because Badger doesn't make a ring shouldn't be a reason to discount a scope.

As for the USO/S&B option yea they are cool and all but seriously I think their cost delta would be better spent on ammo or maybe a muzzle break or suppressor.
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Man pretty one sided...  Good thing Rancid Coolaid was here to show some love to NF.  I really LOVE Nightforce scopes and think they are a WONDERFUL feature to price ratio.  I still wish that NF would come up with a FFP scope.  I'd also like to see them get a elevation knob that does more than 5mil per revolution.  
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But even with their obvious shortcomings, the scope is still a great contender due to its considerable strengths.

 

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The NF?  Heck yea!  They're fantastic.
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Welp my name finally came up and I've ordered my SH IOR.... Now comes the LONG wait for it to get here.
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I believe this is a situation where you really can't go wrong with either the SH IOR or NF.  Both scopes are well made, use great glass, and fully functional for your applications.  Personally, I'd go with the IOR because I think the glass is slightly better.  However neither is a slouch and should serve you well...

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Appreciate the insight.  I like to set myself up in dilemmas where I can't go wrong! :)
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