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I am looking for a hunting scope. I will be doing Deer, Bear, and soon be a traveling nurse and going out west , and I hope to get into some elk, mule etc. I have SAko 85 300 wsm. I currently have a millet buck gold however only purchase this scope to get through a few whitetail seasons here in North Carolina. My price range is 1500- 2000 dollars. The rifle and scope hope to be passed to my grandchildren. I have researched S&B, Kahles, swaro, and ziess all their top ends. However, kahles multi zero currently has my attention. I plan on using a range finder. Ihave read the 30mm and 1 inch debate on this site. I do think i will like to shoot at 500 yds. I will be putting in proper range time and plan to shoot alot to get the scope, rifle, and me on. But this scope IS FOR HUNTING. I am a former Reconaissance Marine so I have been exposed to some top notch equipment. So you have 1500 to 2000 bucks to spend, you want to hit at 500 yds and down. What do you get?
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I own a Kahles CL 3-9X50 and love it - it is incredible in low light!  However, I wouldn't want to spend that kind of $$ after the recently published update that Legacy Sports will no longer be servicing Kahles.  I would probably recommend the Swaro Z6, although I have not personaly looked thru one yet, but respect those on this site who have and say its top notch!  I would highly recommend the samplelist.com and here are a couple items
 
9194 Swarovski 1.7-10x42 Z6 59214, Matte finish, 7A reticle, 30mm tube, fast focus eye piece, reseatable windage and elevation, likew new condition $1,965.00 $1,499.95
9188 Swarovski 1.7-10x42 Z6 59211, Matte finish, plex reticle, 30mm tube, reseatable windage and elevation, fast focus eye piece, ring marks. $1,965.00 $1,499.95
8982 Swarovski 2-12x50 Z6 59313, Matte finish, 4A reticle, 30mm tube, fast focus eye piece, reseatable windage and elevation, 100% like new condition $1,887.00 $1,449.95
7257 Zeiss 2.5-10x42 Diavari VM/V 5216719908, Matte finish, #8 reticle, 30mm tube, fast focus eye piece, light ring marks, rub mark on occular end, factory certified refurbished, lifetime transferable warranty. $1,703.00 $1,199.95
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Originally posted by wkp0`06 wkp0`06 wrote:

I am looking for a hunting scope. I will be doing Deer, Bear, and soon be a traveling nurse and going out west , and I hope to get into some elk, mule etc. I have SAko 85 300 wsm...  My price range is 1500- 2000 dollars. The rifle and scope hope to be passed to my grandchildren. I do think i will like to shoot at 500 yds. But this scope IS FOR HUNTING. So you have 1500 to 2000 bucks to spend, you want to hit at 500 yds and down. What do you get?


My Brother,
 first I would like to commend you for wanting to pass on a great legacy!!!
With the two objectives in mind here is my recommendation.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-8875-310-new-zeiss-25-10x50-victory-diavari-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx

I know it's on the upper end of your price range, but in my opinion it hits your two major objectives flawlessly.

IMHO

   Mike
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59216 New Swarovski 1.7-10x42 Z6 30mm Riflescope                                                                              New Swarovski 1.7-10x42 Z6 30mm Riflescope
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This is what I would suggest.  A ballistic reticle is very handy when the range is known.  You have enough money in your scope budget to pick the 'cream of the crop'....
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I vote for the Zeiss also.......
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you cant go wrong with any of the scopes mentioned, i have been told by a very reliable source that while the zeiss divari victory is a hair better than the kahles c its not worth that much more money, the swaro is a solid choice too.
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Swarovski has a good hold over reticle.  Kahles used to have the same one before the "di-vorce."  Kahles has modified it a bit now.  Zeiss has some good hold over reticles too.
 
The multi-zero needs a bit more development as we here some what mixed reviews.  That is in part because people have some strange expectations and it has a lot of knobs stacked.  It seems like complicated solution to the problem.
 
The .300 mag in about any form seems to shoot flat enought to use a 4a reticle with some training.  Learning the point of aim seems faster and more practicle.
 
Most of us like Kahles for the money.  After the split from Swarvoski there seem to be some loose ends in the service department.  If I were spending that kind of money I lean towards S&B or Zeiss and most likely Zeiss from a long term service stand point.
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Zeiss - Victory Diavari, some of the best optics out there, excellent choice for low light conditions. TIP69 mentioned the #8 which is a really nice reticle.

Swarovski - Z6, one of the best all around hunting scopes period and excellent C.S. As mentioned by SWTUCKER, you can get the ballistic reticle that comes highly recommended from RANCID COOLAID, another member on this site. Like TIP69 said, 7a, 4a, plex, all good choices as well.

Since you want it for hunting I'll pass on recommending the S&B only because I find it a little on the heavy side unless your planning on sitting all day. It's another low light winner.

Kahles, somethings up with this company and currently it's not good news here in the states.


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Like Cheaptrick, I, too, thank you for your service. Although I don't meet your criteria as an Optics Master, and I don't shoot at 500 yards, my thoughts about your conditions are these:

The amount of light coming from an object at 500 yards is only 1/4 as bright as that coming from the same object at 250 yards. Because you will probably want to increase the magnification by a factor of 2 over what you would use at 250 yards, this also robs you of light through the scope. For those reasons, I think Tip69's suggestion of the 50mm Swarovski or Steelbenz's suggestion of a 50mm Zeiss would serve you better than a 42mm objective.

If you were shooting at black dots on white paper, you would have a 16:1 contrast ratio, but you won't have anything close to that with hunting situations. I have been in the market for a nice scope for several months and I have narrowed my search to the Zeiss Diavari Victory or the Swarovski Z6. Both are excellent scopes and I would regard them as over-the-top in performance in any category. I have only compared one of each, but in terms of contrast in very low light, the Zeiss was marginally better.

Hope this helps.





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Well, I don't exactly qualify as an optics master either, but I do use a Zeiss Conquest to shoot out to 700 yards, and it is on my hunting rifle. I think if I had your budget, it would be hard for me to ignore the Zeiss Victory line. Although the Swaro Z6 certainly has my attention too. I am kind of loyal to Zeiss, after mine has treated me so well.
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NOT MUCH NEWS ON S&B, everting i here is Ziess and swaro whats up with that?
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S&B has priced themselves right out of the market!!
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

S&B has priced themselves right out of the market!!
 
+1 on that...it seems that Zeiss and Swarovski have made strides to become more competetive as far as price goes, where as S&B is targeting the very small section of the shooting community (those with more money than they know what to do with).  Loco
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

S&B has priced themselves right out of the market!!


Ditto


If weight matters to a hunter their a little on the heavy side too. Except for the 1-(x) powers,  I think all of their variable scope lines start at around 20oz and go up from there. The fixed scopes are lighter starting at around 14oz.






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I would recomend you a pair of a excellent scopes ,not mentioned:

US Optics SN-3 and leupold M4 LRT with BORS
 
But if you prefer the mentionated trendmades I vote for :
 
 
let s studi US optics one,very, very good
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