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article 1, section 6 of the constitution reads:

"No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office."

Does this mean Obama will be in violation of the constitutions very first article?
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Guess Billary will have to resign first.
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Originally posted by Average Joe Average Joe wrote:

article 1, section 6 of the constitution reads:

"No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office."

Does this mean Obama will be in violation of the constitutions very first article?
 
 
No, it just means that he will have to resign his position as a Senator before taking the Oath of Office as President.  His seat will then be apointed by the Democratic Party in Illinois and the appointee will hold that seat until the next regular election cycle, during which they will (if they want to keep the seat) have to campaign and be duly elected to it.
 
So too, will Hillary have to resign her Senatorial seat before (presumably) taking office as Secretary of State.
 
 
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AJ,
 
I was just doing some more checking and I'm wondering if what you were referring to was the "or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time" clause which says in essense that; if a Senator or Representative has voted to give the cabinet a pay raise during their term, then said Senator or Representative cannot be appointed to the cabinet position for which the pay raise was given.  It seems an intruiging option to bar her from power but, even in such a case, there still isn't a problem.
 
This issue was brought up in the Ford administration for the Attorney General position.  In that case, Congress got around the requirement by voting a new, slightly lower salary for the incoming Attorney General, equal to what it would have been had the cabinet not recieved any pay increase. 
 
There's been a lot of banter on online forums about Obama's citizenship, this clause in the Constitution supposedly barring Hillary from gaining more power, and others designed to find some way that the Democrats must have cheated in order to take power and thus giving options for how to wrest that power from them before they "do any real damage." 
 
My advise to all is to give it up.  There is no legitimate opportunity to avoid the inevitibility of a minimum of 4 years of Democratic rule - at least not without a Civil War.  The Democrats have the momentum. It started for them at the last Presidential election when they felt (rightly or not) that the election was stolen from them.  President Bush's last four ridiculous years have only helped to fuel their zeal. You won't be able to do that a second time.
 
Barack Obama is the next President of the United States. 
 
Hillary Clinton will likely be the next Secretary of State and if, by some miracle, Congress fails to confirm her, it will be used by the Liberal Left as proof of rampant Republican partisanship for a long time to come - giving Democrats even more momentum than they now have.
 
Do yourself a favor and focus your attention on the things you actually can influence.  Accept that the next four years are a lost cause and help build the momentum for the next Congressional elections in 2 yeas and the Presidential election in 4. 
 
Oh, and pray that the Republican party can find someone better than Gov. Palin as their next Presidential Candidate.  Because if she's it, then there is no hope for us until at least 2016.


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Notice the "prince" is getting  new blood in the senate that will owe thier positions to him not the voters.  Other members of the senate will now get to move up thanks to the "prince."
 
Who will replace Hillary, Bidden and Obama? It will be the choice of a govenor or the party for at least two years depending on state rules.
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