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I have been offered two very nice secondhand scopes for my 6.5x55 SE, one is a mint condition Meopta Artemis 2000 7x50 for £250, the other is an 8 year old Swarovski 6x42 with some marks on the tube but as-new lenses.

 
I am really wary of buying secondhand, because I have a long history of breaking things and after-sale care is very important to me. I cannot decide whether to go for one of these secondhand scopes, which are of excellent quality, or if I should for something new in this price range (probably a Bushnell Elite, Vortex Viper, Meopro or fixed mag Leupold, Weaver or Sightron Big Sky).
 
As an aside, are the Weaver Grand Slam 3-10x40 and the 4.75x40 still current, and if so are they in the same class as the other scopes I have mentioned? Accurate info about American scopes is hard to come by in the UK.
 
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I'm quite sure the Artemis was a "lesser" scope than the Meostars. I'm sure it's fine, but I'd swing to the Swaro if it were my choice.
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I'm also a little nervous when buying used optics, but in reality 95% of all optics probably spend 95% of their time in storage.  If it's a good deal, I go for it.
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Several of my scopes were 2nd hand when I acquired them, some many years ago. Having said that I have no idea about what kind of dealer support system you have in the UK with firearms and supplies. I tend to think it is less common than I am use to. So you might consider that .I guess it would come down to how comfortable you are with the seller and the history of the scopes. My experience with scopes of even a medium quality level is that they generally don't just have problems on their own without some sort of outside force or circumstance. If you are buying it from a friend or reputable shop that you trust and you don't have reason to believe it's been sitting atop a 50 rifle or some thing I would expect you will probably be OK especially if those two companies have a good CS reputation to fall back on which frankly I don't know much about.
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Ive owner dozens of used scopes. Never really been burned on one. Like Lucytuma said they spend a majority of their life in storage anyway.  
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Originally posted by jgm1981 jgm1981 wrote:

Ive owner dozens of used scopes. Never really been burned on one. Like Lucytuma said they spend a majority of their life in storage anyway.  
 
There are posts I read, with an uncomfortable frequency, wherein the poster is detailing his problems with an optic, got said optic fixed, and sold it.  So then, it becomes someone else's problem.  I consider buying used if the brand is Zeiss, S&B or US Optics.  All others are suspect in my mind.
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Weaver Grand Slams are still current ..Rugged scopes with decent optics ...

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Bought several used Leupolds also. They hold a nice resale too. Great transferable warranty kept me at ease.
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Go take a gander at Sniper's Hide; you can read all about "Reupolds".
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Thanks for the advice guys. Having listened to bugsNbows I have discounted the Artemis, so essentially I can either spend my £290 on an 8 year old Swarovski Habicht 6x42, from someone I have never met, or a brand new Vortex Viper 3-9x40 (£275), Weaver Grand Slam 3-10x40 (£280) or 4.75x40 (£235), Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9x50 (£260) or I can push the boat out and get a FX III 6x42(discontinued so on offer for £300) or SII Big Sky 6x42 (£350).

But can the optics of these mid range scopes stand up to a Swaro, even an 8 year old one? I am being told over here that Swaro's after sale care is immense, extending to any owner, but I am not entirely convinced. Plus my wallet thinks I should go for the fixed mag Grand Slam!
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Originally posted by jgm1981 jgm1981 wrote:

Ive owner dozens of used scopes. Never really been burned on one. Like Lucytuma said they spend a majority of their life in storage anyway.  
 
 
me, too.  Even the old scopes are okay if you simply hunt in the daytime......they're not as good as the newer stuff but even the stuff from the sixties will still function........
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Originally posted by Roundhead Roundhead wrote:

But can the optics of these mid range scopes stand up to a Swaro, even an 8 year old one?
 
No.
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Originally posted by Magnumdood Magnumdood wrote:

Originally posted by Roundhead Roundhead wrote:

But can the optics of these mid range scopes stand up to a Swaro, even an 8 year old one?
 
No.
And should the fact the Swaro is fixed mag have any great influence on my decision? As well as being wary of secondhand scopes I am also wary of giving up the low magnification range on a scope that will be used for deer stalking and foxing in a wide range of situations.
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Originally posted by Roundhead Roundhead wrote:

Originally posted by Magnumdood Magnumdood wrote:

Originally posted by Roundhead Roundhead wrote:

But can the optics of these mid range scopes stand up to a Swaro, even an 8 year old one?
 
No.
And should the fact the Swaro is fixed mag have any great influence on my decision? As well as being wary of secondhand scopes I am also wary of giving up the low magnification range on a scope that will be used for deer stalking and foxing in a wide range of situations.
THAT question is one you have to answer for yourself.  I have no real problem hunting with a 6x, even at relatively close ranges, but a lot of people do.  Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly like being forced to take a 20 yard shot with a 6x, but it's not particularly difficult.  I would prefer less magnification at that short range, but if 6x is what you have, you have to be mentally and "physically" prepared.  How you will react to that situation is entirely up to you and the level of thought and practice you have put into preparation.  A 6x Swarovski, even 8 years old is most likely still a superior scope... given it has not been abused.  I had a 6x Swaro on my Lott for a short period of time.  I've several times wished I had kept it.  For most situations, it will be outstanding.  If you stalk hunt, you may have some encounters where 6x is just really too much... enjoy the sight of a wonderful animal being free and vow to work harder to be prepared next time.  Personally, I can't see why you would want something else. 
One final thing, for a variable to be of value, you must have prepared and/or have time to use it.  Unless you somehow make absolutely certain you stalk with it on lowest power, you can easily end up in the same situation as with the fixed, or perhaps worse if it is a higher powered scope. 
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An 8-year old Swarovski scope has some of the best glass and coatings available in any optic anywhere, and many hunters refuse to hunt with anything except a fixed 6X scope with a 42mm objective.
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No worries if you buy a used scope with an unlimited lifetime transferable warranty. All scopes are used after the first shot.

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