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I was looking at my new BLR takedown's optics options a couple of days ago, and pulled out my T/C Encore handgun.  I have a 2-7x32 Burris on the T/C.  I put the Burris side-by-side with the BLR to approximate the scope mounting distance for the "scout" style mount option for the BLR, and it appears to me that the eye relief for the Burris is sufficient for the BLR.  I'm concerned that a receiver-mounted scope will not provide the same accuracy as the barrel mounted scope becuase of the take-down feature.
 
Question:  Does anyone have any experience one way or the other with using a handgun scope as a scout-style scope? Problems? Do some work better than others? 
 
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im trying to think where i read about this but im thinking that using a pistol scope for a scout setup would work just fine, the relief is there so thats not an issue, getting the power of scope you want may be the only issue you come across.
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Thanks, Pyro.

I just did a search and found that BigSqueeze uses the same setup I'm looking at - Nikon UCC 2.5-8x EER with good results.  Fortunately for me, SWFA has some of these still in stock (they're moving to the new 2-8 (4x) erector in the new monarch), and for $189.  Lucky me, I'll probably be driving down to Red Oak a little later this afternoon and picking it up.  Thanks again.

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Originally posted by DCAMM94 DCAMM94 wrote:

Thanks, Pyro.

I just did a search and found that BigSqueeze uses the same setup I'm looking at - Nikon UCC 2.5-8x EER with good results.  Fortunately for me, SWFA has some of these still in stock (they're moving to the new 2-8 (4x) erector in the new monarch), and for $189.  Lucky me, I'll probably be driving down to Red Oak a little later this afternoon and picking it up.  Thanks again.

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.............................That is correct!!........I use the same Nikon as a scout on my Ruger Frontier as well as on my revolver! Though I am still thinking about picking up another one for $189 so that I won`t have to switch them around anymore! PIA sometimes!!..............Like my Frontier 300 WSM, your 308 too has the capability for some serious long range hunting work, thus the extra magnification can come in very handy when needed.........The real key to this Nikon, is the use of its fast focus eye piece. As your magnification changes, you adjust the eye piece for the best possible FOV...............However, this particular Nikon does not have the best FOV when looking through the scope. But set on 2.5x, you can keep both eyes open for aiming and quick target acquisition which makes up for it. I consider the other eye too in the FOV equation.........In the Browning video on their web site, they say that these BLR take downs don`t loose any accuracy as a result of disassembly. I would also assume that holds true regardless if the scope is a conventional mounted one or a scout mounted one!
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Thanks, BigSqueeze.  Though I realize what Browning says about their "no loss of accuracy," I just have a hard time believing them.  I'm sure it's close, but when the barrel heats up, and things start expanding, I just have to think that there's going to be more shift in point of impact than with a barrel "locked" in with threads and loc-tite.  I'm going to have to buy the Nikon, I think, and IF I try a conventional and like it, and the accuracy doesn't suffer too much, I may have to get another handgun barrel for my Encore and a 2-8x32 standard Monarch for the BLR.  Thanks for the reply.

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Originally posted by DCAMM94 DCAMM94 wrote:

Thanks, BigSqueeze.  Though I realize what Browning says about their "no loss of accuracy," I just have a hard time believing them.  I'm sure it's close, but when the barrel heats up, and things start expanding, I just have to think that there's going to be more shift in point of impact than with a barrel "locked" in with threads and loc-tite.  I'm going to have to buy the Nikon, I think, and IF I try a conventional and like it, and the accuracy doesn't suffer too much, I may have to get another handgun barrel for my Encore and a 2-8x32 standard Monarch for the BLR.  Thanks for the reply.

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...........................As far as the accuracy is concerned, I wouldn`t worry too much about that. After you zero in before a hunt, just don`t break the rifle down and screw up your zero, assuming that may occur..............If your hunting in either short, medium or longer range situations, the variable Nikon scout will be a winner because you get the best of both worlds; both eyes open aiming quick acquisition on the low end and precise long range targeting on the higher variables......As a matter of fact, I prefer my scout scope in the field for carrying the rifle. I can grab the rifle`s middle at the action. Shooting from the bench, my rifle doesn`t jump on recoil as much because there is more weight forward on the barrel. Regardless it still balances nicely when carried as yours should too. 
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hand gun scope can work better in some cases because they are shorter and will give a better fit over the receiver.
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that doesnt look like a leupold dale what is it?
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Yep! Me thinks it`s a Burris scout too!.............................DC!......If you wind up with the scout scope set up on your 308, as scout users, we will definetely be in the minority around here!.......... 
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 Well like I said to many new guys .... I learn something new here  all the time . Never saw a setup like that . I think I'm going to start saving these pages to disk ... and writing a dvd with all the tests and info i get here .... when i ever get time .... that way when I become a mumbling old fart .... someone will be able to use it .
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Originally posted by merceanary1947 merceanary1947 wrote:

 Well like I said to many new guys .... I learn something new here  all the time . Never saw a setup like that . I think I'm going to start saving these pages to disk ... and writing a dvd with all the tests and info i get here .... when i ever get time .... that way when I become a mumbling old fart .... someone will be able to use it .
...............................The scout scope/rifle concept has been around for 40+ years and was probably started and/or popularized by Jeff Cooper starting in the mid `60`s.......The Savage scout, the Ruger Frontier are offered now with scout scope options with probably more makers to follow...........Having used  conventional scopes for 34+ years on hunts, I really now prefer my Nikon Monarch 2.5-8x28 EER UCC variable scout!.........There are no eye relief issues to ever worry about and with no scope mounted directly over the action, that allows for easy access and speed when loading. Scout rifles are easier to carry by grabbing the rifle in the middle at the action..... With both eyes open aiming on the lower power, (great FOV`s with both eyes open), they are faster to the target, especially on moving game than are conventional scopes where as one eye is normally closed...... Unlike The Burris 2.75x or the Leupy 2.5x fixed scouts and just like an 8x or 9x conventional scope, my Nikon scout gives me much better 400 to 600 yard long range shot capabilities for open plains hunting!....................Hopefully! You`ll be able to put my info a disk too, so that when you become, as you say a "mumbling old fart" someone will use it!!!...........................Laugh 
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Also, there are never any bolt/scope objective clearance issues with scout scopes, like I see on another thread!  
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Here's the basic setup I'm looking at: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=003B&cat_id=034&type_id=011
The only difference in mine is that I have the pistol grip model.  I ordered the 2.5-8x Nikon on Friday. Should be a sweeeeeeeet setup.  The Buriss Zee rings are on backorder, but I'll post a pic once I get it all set up.
 
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Originally posted by DCAMM94 DCAMM94 wrote:

Here's the basic setup I'm looking at: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=003B&cat_id=034&type_id=011
The only difference in mine is that I have the pistol grip model.  I ordered the 2.5-8x Nikon on Friday. Should be a sweeeeeeeet setup.  The Buriss Zee rings are on backorder, but I'll post a pic once I get it all set up.
 
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..................Since I`m a smaller compact rifle afficionado, that`s a great setup!..........20" tube with very little velocity loss, 40" in OAL, lighter, easier to carry, and faster to target....I like it!....One of these days after I get the right camera and learn how to post pics, I`ll have to post up and show off my 2 compact blasters!!!....I`ll wait until after my ordered Howa M1500 20" tubed .375 Ruger arrives in Sept! 
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Use 2x leo pistol on this set up but heres leos scout on a 270
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I use leo quick release mounts and shoot the guns with peep (ghost ring) about as much as the scope.  This one is my always carry trusty truck gun. FN mauser and built like a truck
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